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好了，让我们看看OJ的本事 All right, let's see what O.J. can do.
他举起来了然后维持了足够的时间 He's got it up and he holds it good enough
得到了裁判的确认 to get a call from the referee.
我的经历就像个美式童话
OJ辛普森站直了 O.J. Simpson stands up
那一击非常深远飞向左外野 and that one is hit hard to left.
高度足够了，风也帮忙，出去了 High enough, wind helps, it's gone.
这需要一个人越过一些高峰
看看这个 Watch this.
告诉我，你见过几个右手球手能够像这样 Tell me how many right-handers you've ever seen do this,
击中5号和10号分瓶 pick off the five ten.
人们总是愿意庆祝，人们总是愿意围绕着胜利者
电流正在拉开差距 Juice is moving 'em out.
他的行进很顺利 He's gotta good run going.
准备跨栏了，这次比赛对于OJ辛普森 会非常轻松 Ready for the hurdle, this is gonna be a good time for O.J. Simpson.
你得在你的生命里遭遇一些悲剧，才能 写成一本有趣的传记
OJ：美国制造 第5部分
星期五 1995年9月29日
女士们先生们，感谢你们的耐心 Ladies and gentleman, thank you for your patience.
我还有一点最后的提醒需要给予 I have just a few final instructions that I need to give
你们，就在你们进行最终合议之前 to you before you start your deliberations on this matter.
我想提醒你们，你们不能被以下因素影响 You are reminded that you must not be influenced
包括情绪化、同情心、 by mere sentiment, sympathy,
热情、偏见、 passion, prejudice,
公众意见、公众态度 public opinion, or public feeling.
检方和辩方同样有权 Both the prosecution and the defendant have a right
期望你们出于本心考量 to expect that you will conscientiously consider and weigh
所有证据 all the evidence,
按照我的指示合理应用法律 apply the law as I have instructed you
不去计较后果，得出一个公正的裁决 and reach a just verdict regardless of the consequences.
有一个不成文的惯例 There's a rough rule of thumb
对于陪审团合议就是 for jury deliberations.
每有一周长的审理时间， 就需要一天长的合议时间 One day of deliberation for each week of trial.
所以，大家都放松下来，想着，好了 So, we all settle in and we think, okay.
我们会着实等上一阵了 We're gonna be here awhile.
案子上所有的律师都计划去做点别的事 All the lawyers on the case were going to do something
就在陪审团开始合议的第一天 that first day that the jury was out,
因为大家都想着再怎样也至少要等一天 because everyone knew we had at least one day.
那天正好是强尼的生日 It was Johnnie's birthday.
他和他的妻子搞了个一日游 He and his wife had taken a one-day excursion
去到了葡萄酒乡 up to the wine country,
然后我从法庭上给强尼打电话 and I called Johnnie from the courtroom.
我说：“强，强，判决出来了！” I said, "Jay, Jay, we got a verdict."
他说：“你说啥？！” He said, "What?!"
“他们达成判决了，兄弟” "We got a verdict, man."
我们达成了一致判决 We reached the verdict.
我们都长出了一口气 We were happy about that.
经过了八个月以上的询问 After more than eight months of testimony,
超过100名的证人，以及超过45000页 more than 100 witnesses and more than 45,000 pages
的庭审记录，陪审员们 of court transcripts, the jurors,
始终保持对案件信息的保护 who'd been advised not to talk about the case
从第一天开始，终于做出了他们的决定 since it began, came to their decision
只经过了一个上午的合议 over the course of a morning's work.
我们得回家了 We had to go home.
我只想说这句话 That's all I got to say.
我们已经走了快一年了 We'd been gone a year.
我们必须回家了 We had to come home.
被隔离了9个月长 Being held up for nine months,
我也不想那样 I wouldn't want that.
但我们至少也还是谈一谈吧 But why don't we talk about a couple of things
相互交换一下意见？ that may be on our mind?
他们都没有怎么合议 They did not deliberate.
我当时的确很气愤 I truly was offended.
267天 267 days.
那是案件审理的时长 That's how long the trial lasted.
1105件证据 1,105 pieces of evidence.
45000页的庭审记录来自133名证人 45,000 pages of trial transcript from 133 witnesses.
你们怎么就可以只合议了3个半小时？ How the hell did you deliberate for three and a half hours?
你说有多少天来着？ How many days was it again?
267天 267 days.
那就是266个夜晚 266 nights.
266个夜晚，我一个人回到房间 266 nights I went back to that room, alone.
不能和其他陪审员交谈 Wasn't able to talk to other jurors.
不能喝家人交谈 Wasn't able to talk to family.
没有人，只有我和我的思绪 Nobody but me and my thoughts.
我是到了最后一天才给出那个决定 I waited til the end to come up with a decision,
但我回屋的每一个夜晚 but each night that I went home
对于当天听到的证言 after listening to testimony,
我都存在心里面 I stored that.
到了审理结束的时候，我心里是有数的 By the end of that trial, I knew where I was.
一切都很清晰 And it was clear.
OJ那天很情绪化 O.J. was extremely emotional.
把他的脸伸向玻璃，像你电视上看到的一样 Puts his hand on the glass like you see on TV,
他说：“听着伙计们 and he said, "Look guys,
如果判我有罪，我不想再看到你们一面 if it is guilty, I never wanna see you guys again.
不要来探我的监 Don't come see me in prison,
因为你们的人生一定会不停变化 because your lives are gonna be changing,
我跟你们有啥好说的？ and what am I gonna say?
我的人生就一如既往 My life is the same as what it was yesterday.
一往如前了 Same as it's gonna be tomorrow.
不会再有任何变化 Nothing will ever change.
所以，别让我见到你们，永远” So, I don't wanna see you guys again, ever."
星期二 1995年10月3日
我们大约凌晨3点半到的法庭 We got there around 3:30 in the morning.
到6点的时候那里就已经十分拥挤了 By 6 o'clock it was just very crowded.
到处都是人 People everywhere.
到处都是警察 Policemen everywhere.
我们驻扎在审判法庭的楼下 We were underneath the criminal courts building,
以防出现状况 in case there was trouble.
他们派来了骑警 They brought in police on horseback,
像是准备好迎接骚乱 as if they were preparing for a riot.
你为什么不滚远一点，你个屁眼 Why don't you get the fuck out of here, you fucking asshole?
有记者在我家门口守着我 I had reporters coming to my front door,
而我真的没有收敛 and I had really had it.
我他妈能打他吗 Can I fucking hit him?
不能 No.
我相信打心底里我知道会听到怎样的判决 I think part of me knew which way that verdict was going.
一场似乎要持续到永远的审判 For a trial that seemed to go on forever,
它的终结再一次造成了全国范围的 the fact that it will end has produced a national surge
巨大关注 of adrenaline.
你是不是又过了一个不眠之夜 Did you have a rather sleepless night
昨天晚上 迦西提先生？ last night, Mr. Garcetti?
不眠之夜？我还是那个“正常”的四小时睡眠 Sleepless night? I had my usual four hours' sleep.
我必须承认，当时我认为他有罪 I have to fully admit, I thought he was guilty.
我认为他事实确凿地有罪 I thought it was obvious he was guilty.
所以我以为陪审团会同意这一点 So I thought the jury agreed with me.
请作法庭记录如下 And the record should reflect
我们现在迎接回了所有的 that we have now been rejoined by all the members
陪审团成员及候补 of our jury panel and our alternates.
好的，罗伯森夫人，你是否持有 All right, Mrs. Robertson, do you have the envelope
装着判决结果的信封？ with the sealed verdict, please?
是的，法官阁下 Yes, Your Honor.
很好，可以把它交给特罗尔警官吗？ All right, would you give those to Deputy Trower?
法官严令我们一言不发 The Judge had admonished us not to say a word,
连声音都不能发出 not to make a sound,
不能做动作，什么都不能做 not to move, not to do anything
只管坐在那里静静地听判决 but sit there and listen to the verdict.
好的，辛普森先生，请你站起来 All right, Mr. Simpson, would you please stand
面朝着陪审团 and face the jury?
对于这场加利福利亚州 In the matter of The People
公诉人与奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森的诉讼 of the State of California vs Orenthal James Simpson,
案件编号BA097211 case number BA097211.
我们，陪审团，对于上述案件宣布 We, the jury, in the above entitled action find
被告奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森无罪 the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime
于刑法第187A条款所列罪名 of murder in violation of penal code section 187a,
一项施与妮可·布朗·辛普森的罪行 a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
同样被控参与…… as charged in account...
那就像是灵魂出窍的感觉 It was almost like an out of body experience.
我脑子里一片麻木 I had a feeling of numbness.
这事真的发生了？ Did this really happen?
他们真的办到了，他们给他洗脱了罪名 They really did it, they acquitted him.
他们真的办到了，他们让他从正门离开了 They really did it, they walked him out the door.
强尼在OJ的背后，强尼一直说着 Johnnie is in back of O.J. and Johnnie's saying,
“老电，你回家了” "Juice, you're going home,"
他还把头靠在他的背上 and he's putting his head against his back.
“你回家了，老电，你回家了！” "You're going home, Juice, you're going home!"
那种感觉真好 It was fabulous.
我真心以为我会吃惊到晕过去 I actually thought I might pass out from shock.
我太震惊了 I was so astonished.
奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森 Orenthal James Simpson,
无罪于谋杀罪 not guilty of the crime of murder
施与罗纳德·莱尔·高德曼 upon Ronald Lyle Goldman.
有一个年轻人 One of the young guys,
要么来自高德曼家或者是布朗家 either one of the Goldman families or the Brown family,
他不停叫着：“凶手，凶手” he said, "Murderer, murderer."
我一直看着金·高德曼 I was focused on Kim Goldman.
判决至少一项 Convicted of at least one crime of murder
一级谋杀罪名以及至少一项 of the first degree and one or more crimes of murder
一级或二级谋杀罪名不成立 of the first or second degree to be not true.
我很难受，看到我必然给别人造成 It hurt me to know that I had to hurt somebody else
那样的伤害，我一点都不想这样 like that, and I didn't want to.
我的母亲和父亲都很克制 My mom and dad, just stoic.
我是最激动的一个 I'm the more emotional one.
有一个法警在旁边 There was this deputy there,
我记得问了她：“我能走吗？” and I was like, "Can I leave?"
她说：“你不能离开” And she goes, "You can't leave."
从另一层意义来说这又是一个典型的 The other piece of this was that kind of moment
辛普森的胜利时刻 of triumphant Simpson.
我记得我如何解读那一个姿势 I remember thinking that that gesture,
那是一个斗士的姿势 that's a competitor.
他经历了一场试炼 He had been through a big ordeal.
他拼尽全力，并获得了胜利 He fought hard and he'd won.
其中一个陪审员，我记得是6号陪审员 One of the jurors, I believe it was juror number six,
一个黑人男性，从陪审席里站起来 a male black, stood in the jury box
然后像这样举起了他的拳头 and raised his fist like this.
什么？ What?
这可是给大家感觉最温和的一个人啊 This was a guy who presented as the most mild mannered,
后来我们得知，原来他曾经是一名 and then we find out, yeah, he was a member
黑豹党员，多年以前 （黑人极端组织） of the Black Panthers, years ago.
晚些时候，我和法警谢里夫谈过 Later, I was talking with the Deputy Sheriff.
他负责护送陪审员们到解散的地方 He had taken jurors to where they were released.
能回来太高兴了，我自由了 So glad to be back, I'm free.
他说：“就在停车场的另一边 He said, "All across this parking lot,
全是击掌的、庆祝的声音” there was high fives and cheers and smiles."
他说：“我听到他们不停重复 He said, "I heard it over and over.
这是为罗德尼·金报仇” That was payback for Rodney King."
我们陪审团宣布被告无罪 We the jury find the defendant not guilty
于使用致命武器伤害罪 of the crime of assault with a deadly weapon.
你认为陪审团里 Do you think that there were members
有成员投票开释OJ of the jury that voted to acquit O.J.
是因为罗德尼·金吗？ because of Rodney King?
是的 Yes.
你认为？ You do?
是的 Yes.
你认为他们有多少人是这样想的？ How many of you think felt that way?
可能90%都是 Oh, probably 90% of them.
90%？ 90%?
那你是不是也这么想？ Did you feel that way?
是的 Yes.
那是报仇？ That was payback?
嗯哼 Uh-huh.
你觉得这是正确的做法吗？ You think that's right?
世界上的大多数或者美国的大多数 The majority of the world or the majority of Americans
都认为我们是一群傻子把事情搞砸了 think that we're a group of idiots who didn't get it right.
我认为我们成为了整件事的替罪羊 I think that the jury was made to be the scapegoat
背的是他们的锅 for their faults.
对福尔曼形象的呈现是一个错误 It was a mistake to present Fuhrman the way they did.
让达尔登站在那个法庭上面 It was a mistake to let Darden get up there
甚至参与这个案件也是一个错误 and be a part of that case.
他们如果不犯那些错误 Had they come correct,
他们如果启用正确的律师团队 had they had the right attorneys up there
在过程中发挥他们应当发挥的水准 putting on the case that they need to put on,
他们是应当获胜的 they would've won.
这不是报仇 It wasn't payback.
他们自己搞砸了 They messed up.
那可能算是报仇 It may have been payback,
但报的并不是最近多少年的仇 but it wasn't payback for anything that happened recently.
那报的可是过去400年的仇 It was payback for what's happened over the last 400 years.
那是对美国黑人整体待遇的回应 It was payback for how black people are treated in America.
我相信这种感觉存在于 I believe that that was on the minds of
每一名美国黑人心中 every black person in America.
对于这场加利福利亚州 In the matter of The People of the State
公诉人与奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森的诉讼 of California vs Orenthal James Simpson,
案件编号BA097211 case number BA097211.
我们，陪审团，对于上述案件 We, the jury, in the above entitled action,
宣布被告奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森无罪 find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty.
(cheering)
到处都是喜悦 There was joy.
在理发店里，或是在美容沙龙里 You could hear it in the barbershop or the beauty salon
或是在学校课堂上 or in the classroom at the school,
在街上 on the streets.
憋着的一口气呼出来了 A release of breath, exhaling.
电流自由了 The Juice is loose!
他自由了！他自由了！ He's loose! He's loose!
终于自由了，终于自由了，感谢万能的主 Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty,
我终于自由了 I'm free at last.
就像是那一天杰基·罗宾森 It was like that day Jackie Robinson
为所有黑人选手打开了一扇门 （第一个黑人职业棒球球员） opened the door for black players.
这场审判被烙入了洛杉矶城的种族历史 This trial tapped into the racial history of Los Angeles.
他都没有意识到它其实也被深刻烙 I didn't realize how much it tapped
入了整个国家曲折的种群关系中 into the national pain of race relations.
……宣布奥瑞修·詹姆斯·辛普森无罪…… ... finds Orenthal James Simpson not guilty...
(screaming and cheering)
它的意义远远超过了案件本身 It was all so much bigger than we were,
远远超过 so much bigger.
你真是牛逼冲天啊，强尼！
我觉得黑人们的欢庆非常地露骨 I think the black jubilation was very offensive
也非常地伤人 and very hurtful.
轮到谁笑了？知道是谁做的吗？ Who laughing now, ya know who did it?
我的家族做的，整个种族做的 My family did it, the races of America.
那些画面分别显示非裔欢庆着 Those films of African-Americans cheering
白人痛哭着 and whites crying,
其实在两个种群之间划了一根巨大的红线 it put a huge red line across society.
显著的，那种恶意由非裔 Certainly, the resentment that African-Americans
向白人表现出来 have toward whites
让人震惊 was shocking.
太让人震惊 It was absolutely shocking.
现在你们知道这种感觉了 Now you know how it feels.
我们对那些画面记忆犹新 We are flush with illustrations
那些我们做受害者的画面 where we have been the victims
你们现在称呼我们的，种族思维的受害者 of what you consider to be racial thinking.
那就是为什么大家这一刻的欢乐 And that's why your moment of joy
可能只在这一刻而已 may only be a moment.
就是为什么大家要珍藏这一刻的欢乐 That's why you seize your moment of joy,
因为明天伤痛继续 because tomorrow sorrow.
真正出现一名黑人被判无罪 To actually have a black man found not guilty,
考虑到以往其他黑人只要被 when every other black man who's ever been
怀疑跟任何那种事 blamed for anything like that
或者相似的事有关，都被扑杀了 or anything near something like that, has been killed.
这就是显著的进步 This is indicative of progress,
不管你如何看待那个人 regardless of what you think about him.
我的感觉就是，哇奥，开始有变化了 It was like wow, things have changed,
多多少少 somewhat.
我只是真心希望 I just really hoped that,
或许还是以一种过度乐观的姿态 probably in a terribly pollyannish way,
我真心希望我们取得了些许进步 I really hoped we had come some distance.
我的白人邻居们，那些我从小一起长大的人 My white neighbors, people I'd grown up with all my life,
我每一天都会照面的人 the person I talked to every single day,
因为这个案子再也不跟我说一句话 just stopped speaking to me because of this trial.
我接到了恐吓信 I received hate mail.
他们会把信寄到法庭 They would send the hate mail to the court.
法庭会转寄给我 The court would forward it to me.
我接到了大量的人身攻击 I got a lot of personal blame,
大量的人身威胁 a lot of personal threats.
大意不外乎 - 你应该去死 In essence, you know, "You deserve to die."
怎样的影响会带给 What sort of personal toll
那些参与案件的检察官们？ did this take on the prosecutors who tried the case?
我摇头是因为我还没有来得及 I shake my head because I haven't been able
仔细想过 to weigh it entirely,
但影响是不可避免的 but the toll is immense.
如果说有一种力量激励着我 If there was anything that ever motivated me
贯穿整个过程，就是那种信念 throughout the trial, it was the idea, the notion,
终有一天我可以对着高德曼家说…… that one day I'd have to turn to the Goldmans...
当意识到他逃脱法网 with the realization that he had been acquitted.
我很荣幸能够…… I am honored to have...
克里斯的状况非常糟糕 Chris was in bad shape.
他整个人都失魂落魄 He was really devastated.
一个有罪判决原本可以为他 A verdict of guilty would have been redeeming for him
在黑人社会中赎罪 in the black community.
你能够清晰地听到他身体里破碎的声音 You could feel this sense of brokenness within him,
因为他为之付出了全部 because he gave everything that he had.
我想假如有可能再问克里斯一次 My guess is that if Chris were given the opportunity again
要不要加入这个案子 to say yes or no on this case,
他应该会拒绝的 he wouldn't have taken it.
他付出了巨大的代价 He's paid one huge price.
这是一次艰苦的较量 This has been a hard-fought battle,
但我想郑重地表明 but I want to make it as clear as I can
这个案子已经结束了 that this trial is over.
我们这个群体没人会支持谋杀 No one in our community believes in murder,
而我们的好意始终都 and our hearts have gone out
致与那两个家庭，从一开始就是 to these two families from the very beginning.
一个来自我们父亲的声明 A statement from our father.
我很欣慰这一段噩梦 I'm relieved that this part of the incredible nightmare
始于1994年6月12日，现在终于结束了 that occured on June 12th, 1994 is over.
我会将追缉凶手作为人生的主要目标 I will pursue, as my primary goal in life,
捉拿那一个或一些杀害妮可 the killer or killers who slaughtered Nicole
以及高德曼先生的凶手 and Mr. Goldman.
需要任何代价，我会付出 Whatever it takes, I'll provide.
他们仍然逍遥在外 They are out there somewhere.
孩子们 The children.
你告诉他们了吗？ You did tell them?
是的，我们告诉他们了 Yes, we told them.
告诉他们爹地自由了 Told them Daddy's free.
他们说了什么吗？ Did they say anything to you?
他们很高兴 They were happy.
他们爱爹地 They love Daddy.
我们没有说过任何爹地的不是 We have never said anything negative about Daddy.
人们欣喜若狂，激动于终于 People were on fire, excited about finally,
这个司法体系生效在 the criminal justice system worked in favor
一个非裔美国人身上了 of an African-American man.
但是这件事跟种族问题没有半点关系 But everything is not about race.
跟我们遭受的待遇没有半点关系 Everything is not about how we were treated
跟这个国家这段历史没有半点关系 historically in this country.
我无法把它视作是象征了 I didn't see it as an example
非裔美国人的新生 of African-Americans being free
或是我们战胜了司法体制 or we beating the criminal justice system.
和非裔美国人无关 Not for African-Americans.
这只是一个叫OJ辛普森的富人的胜利 It was a victory for a rich guy named O.J. Simpson,
而我深感担忧 and I was troubled by it.
现在，把镜头拉近，拉近 Now, go back in, go back in.
他有没有告诉你任何想法 Did he give you any indication
关于他对孩子们的设想 when he would want the children,
关于将来的状况？ or what would happen?
我想他足够理智知道 I think he is reasonable enough to know
孩子们在这里会有一个美好的生活 that the children have a good life here.
他们在这个屋子里能够汲取力量和爱 That they find strength and love in this house.
他们调整了座位 They switched over.
我想他现在其实并不知道 I don't think that he knows, really,
他想要什么，在这一刻 what he wants, right now.
看到他们了，就在那里 There they are, right there.
布莱斯，保持镜头 Bryce, go in tight.
我敢说他一时半会儿不会走出来的了 I can tell you right now he ain't coming out any time soon.
好了，我们把视野拉高，把镜头抬起来 Okay, we're gonna get up, we're gonna pull up high.
远离所有这些狗屎吧 Get out of all this bullshit.
(triumphant music)
好啊！ Yes!
你回家了！ You're home!
今天是一种怎样的气氛 What has the atmosphere been like
在辛普森先生的家里 at Mr. Simpson's house today?
谁跟他在一起？他们在做什么？ Who is with him? What are they all doing?
那是，你应该能够想象，非常非常感人的 It's, as you can imagine, a very, very touching time.
非常愉悦的时光，对于一个坐了15个月 A very cheerful time for a man who's spent 15 months
牢房然后最终被释放的人 in prison and was found innocent.
(TV blaring in background)
起诉？听这个词就像在我头上钻个洞 Prosecution？I wanna hear this like a hole in the head.
别听那个 Don't even listen to it.
怎么把声音调大？ How do you turn this up?
要不是为了他从第一周开始的竞选……
他的竞选……
我们就可以抓到是谁在给费伊‧瑞斯尼克提供毒品了
是啊，这是又一个你搞错了对象的案子 Yeah, this is the one case, you got the wrong guy
就像其他案子一样，你让真凶跑了 like all those other cases you let who did it get away.
他邀请所有的律师到他那里喝一杯 He invited the lawyers to come by for a drink,
而我是第一个到那的 and I was the first one there.
他在楼上卧室里面 And he was up in the bedroom.
他问：“鲍勃·夏皮罗在哪儿啊？” He said, "I wonder where Bob Shapiro is?"
我说：“往上面看 I said, "Look up above you.
他在电视里呢 He's on television.
芭芭拉·沃特丝” Barbara Walters."
夏皮罗先生，你从一开始就说种族问题 Mr. Shapiro, you said in the beginning that race
不会成为这个案子的决定因素 would not be a determining part of this case,
你不会打种族牌 that you would not play the race card.
然而种族牌显然是打了的 The race card was surely played.
芭芭拉，我个人的态度并没有改变过 Barbara, my position was always the same.
我以为种族因素不会也不应该成为案子的一部分 That race would not and should not be a part of this case.
可是我错了 I was wrong.
我们不但打了种族牌 Not only did we play the race card,
我们还把它从牌底打成了牌面 we dealt it from the bottom of the deck.
他无耻地声称利用 The hypocrisy of his suggestion that the decision
种族因素是一个不好的决定 to use race was a bad one,
而其实恰恰是他把整副牌都换成了种族牌 when it was the card that he stacked the deck with.
在最开始的时候，这就是他的思路 From the very beginning, it was his theory.
你还会再次与强尼·柯克伦合作吗？ Would you work again on a case with Johnnie Cochran?
不会 No.
你还会再次与F李·贝利合作吗？ Would you work a case again with F. Lee Bailey?
我不会再跟F李·贝利说一句话 I will not talk to F. Lee Bailey again.
感谢你，夏皮罗先生 Thank you, Mr. Shapiro.
所有人都说，茄子，来吧 Everybody say hogwash, c'mon.
茄子！ Hogwash!
来，跟我说：“大家互相说话” Come on, talk to each other a little bit,
来，“互相说话” come on, talk to each other.
说慢一点，好的 Not so fast. Okay.
呼，我们那晚去了哪？ Wow, where'd we go that night?
大概是回家抱着哭 Probably home and cried.
大概是回家抱着哭了 Probably home and cried.
然后可能说了100遍 And probably said 100 times,
他是怎么能够逃脱的？ how did he get away with it?
你永远不可能释怀 You don't ever get over it.
不能释怀他再也不能实现梦想 It doesn't go away that he can't live his dreams.
所有情绪都在那里 It's always still there,
随时可以浮上来 close to the surface.
都还在那里呢 It's always still there.
我们真心以为如果他被判无罪 We actually believed that if he's found not guilty,
我们能一切照旧继续生活 we all go back to our lives and just move on.
他以为他可以回到原来的生活里去 He thought he'd walk right back into it.
从他的视角，我回来了，我会继续 His view point, I'm back and I'm gonna be playing
每天打我的高尔夫，然后做我的OJ golf everyday and I'm gonna be O.J.
然后一切如常 and everything's fine.
我觉得他相信他能够带着全世界 I think he felt he could con the rest of the world
继续陪着他演 into believing that.
接下来是十大方式他用于 （大卫·莱特曼） Here we have the top 10 ways he's searching
找寻真正的凶手 for the real killers.
第9个，策划一个“史汀”（刺）活动 Number nine, elaborate ongoing ‘sting’ operation
在圆石滩高球场 at Pebble Beach.
很好，精彩的侦探工作 Yeah, excellent piece of detective work.
我想绝大多数布伦特伍德的居民 I think the vast majority of the people in Brentwood
相信他是有罪的 thought he was guilty,
而那导致他在那个区域很难生活 and it became very uncomfortable for him to be here.
我有一天看到他给车加油 I saw him filling up his car one day,
而人们，确实地在向他比中指 and people, literally, were giving him the finger
或是骂脏话 or screaming insults.
他加满了油，装作 He filled up his car and pretended
他没有听到任何东西就离开了 he didn't hear anything and moved on.
我正在遛狗，然后感觉到 I was walking the dog and that feeling you get
后颈的汗毛直立 where the hair stands up on the back of your neck
那是有人看着你的感觉 where you know someone's watching you,
然后OJ从一辆劳斯莱斯里探出头来 and O.J.'s leaning out of the Rolls Royce,
我记得我心里说：“哦，该死” and I remember saying, "Oh, shit."
我走过去，他走出来 I walk over to him, and he gets out,
我们抱了亲了 and we hug and we kiss.
他对着我说：“你为什么不来看我？ He turned to me and said, "Why don't you come see me?
没有多少人过来看我” Not too many people come to see me."
我说：“当然，我一定会来的” I said, "Sure, of course I will."
然后拥抱告别 There was that hug goodbye,
当然嘴里说回头见 and of course I'm gonna see you,
其实他清楚我不会再去见他 where he knew I was never gonna see him,
而我也清楚我不会再去见他 and I knew I was never gonna see him.
你们的关系很紧密 You had a pretty close relationship,
对不对？ is that true?
我们的关系是属于 We had the type of relationship
彼此一年见一两次面的那种 that we'd see each other a couple times a year.
我不是他的好朋友 I wasn't one of his best friends.
我认识的黑人朋友都告诉我 All the black people in my life used to tell me,
伙计，白人们马上就要收拾你 man, white America will turn on you,
他们会立马给你套上黑人的标志 and they will zip up your nigger suit on you so fast
然后你会连个屁都不是，像这样 and they will forget about you like that.
你为何不卖掉布伦特伍德的房产 Why don't you sell the Brentwood estate,
然后远离那里一段时间？ go away for a little while?
去哪儿？ Go where?
怎么，他们希望我回非洲去吧 What, do they want me to go to Africa,
那就是某些人希望的？ is that what some of those people would want?
去哪儿？我住在洛杉矶 Go where, I live in LA.
我和人们相处，但不和他们相处 I see people, I haven't seen 'em.
我听到布伦特伍德有人 I hear there are people in Brentwood
不想让我待在布伦特伍德 that don't want me in Brentwood.
也许这是他们的愿望，但我想说的是 Maybe they are, but I would say this.
我想我可能住在布伦特伍德的时间比 I think I've probably lived in Brentwood longer
他们90%的人都要长 than 90% of 'em.
他们才是寄居者 They're squatters.
如果他们不想在布伦特伍德看到我 If they don't want me in Brentwood,
应该走的是他们 they should leave.
你会对批评你不出席女儿生日的声音…… Would you say the criticisms about missing your daughter's birthday...
嘿，OJ！ Hey, O.J.!
《时尚先生》选定我 Esquire had chosen me
为他们写一个OJ辛普森的专题 to do a story about O.J. Simpson.
我好奇于OJ的边缘状态 I was interested in O.J. as a pariah.
不要和OJ在一起 Don't play with O.J.
滚开，OJ，滚开 Go away, O.J., go away.
我想要尝试去观察 I wanted to try to find out
他怎样，或是能否保持 how or whether he could uphold
那种OJ形象 the O.J. persona
立于公众的激愤于仇视面前 in the face of public wrath and hatred.
“你在回避事实”
我认为你们每一个人 I don't think there's anybody out there
都不能不承认每一次碰到我 that won't say that wherever they met me,
不管在哪里，在过去的30年里 all over this country for the last 30 years,
我都是耐心的，我以自己想要的方式来对待你们 I took time, I treated you the way I wanted to be treated.
他是个虐妻者！离开这里！ He's a wife-beater! Go home!
我认为没有人会说 I don't think there's anybody out there
不管你在哪里碰到我 that ever met me anywhere,
机场、球场、街上 in airports, in ballparks, on the street,
我不是和善对你的 that I wasn't kind to you,
我自己不想得到的待遇，我不会施与别人 I didn't treat you the way I thought you wanted to be treated.
任何给我写信的人，我都给他们回信 Anybody who's ever written me, I wrote 'em back.
任何慈善事业联系我，我都会做出贡献 Charities that ever call me, I always sent them something,
尽自己的力 at my cost.
我只想请求你们还我这份善意 I only ask you to give me that courtesy,
像我对你们一样的来对我 to treat me the way I treated you.
你个丑陋的凶手！ You ugly murderer!
你个丑陋的该死的凶手！ You ugly-ass murderer!
我同情他，真心的 I felt sorry for him, I did.
我只是没办法去把他当做 I just couldn't bring myself to feel
是一个坏人 that he was bad
就是从字面意思上 in the pure sense of the word.
他给我的感觉总是一个受害者 I kept feeling like he was a victim.
那是我想要给予 That's all I wanna do.
他们的环境 Provide for them.
我的家庭，我的子女 My family, my kids,
给我一个机会，给我一份公道 and give me the opportunity and a fair shake.
去死吧，OJ！ Fuck you, O.J.!
我当着你们发誓，对上帝发誓 But I swear to you, before my God,
我没有犯下那些罪行 I did not commit these crimes.
感谢你们耐心听我说话 Thank you for taking the time to listen to me.
人们激愤的表面原因是 The easy answer is to say that people were indignant
OJ逃脱了谋杀的罪责 that O.J. got away with murder,
但那种反应的强度和广度 but the level, the scope of the reaction,
给我的感觉，其实是种族主义在起作用 my sense was that there was a lot of racism in it.
(man shouting)
他想要回被爱戴的感觉 He wanted the love back.
想要再次得到人们的爱 He wanted to be loved again.
O ~ J！ (singing) O.J.!
他是我们的兄弟 He is our brother.
对啊，你们应该鼓掌 C'mon, you can clap on that.
我们从来没有想过他会有罪 We have never believed that he was guilty.
他想要来自社群的接纳 He wanted acceptance from the community.
他知道他已经被太多人排斥了 He knew that he was ostracized by a whole number of people.
别走回头路 Don't take a step back,
你坚信上帝，然后准备着再次站起来 you just get with God and you get ready for your comeback.
我认为他感受到了一种拯救 I think he felt a sense of deliverance,
也许他感受自己得到了上帝的拯救 and maybe he felt that God delivered him.
我不想要重拾我的形象 I'm not trying to restore the image.
我不想要请求上帝找回失去的一切 I'm not trying to get back with God what I've lost.
我只想要做一件事 I'm trying to do one thing.
我要进入天堂 I'm trying to go to Heaven.
但是我收到了指责 But I got criticized.
你怎么能去接纳一个杀人凶手？ How can you accept someone who is a murderer?
首先法庭说他不是凶手 Well, the court didn't say he was a murderer.
法庭说他是无罪的 Court said he was innocent,
其次耶稣接纳任何人 and Jesus accepted all people.
(cheering)
(crowd chanting "O.J.")
这对我就是美梦成真 This is like a dream come true for me,
能够见到OJ辛普森先生 so meet Mr. O.J. Simpson.
一个拥抱，亲爱的，我爱你 Hug me, darling, I love you.
他说他想要答谢那些 He said he was trying to thank the people
给他厚爱的人 that stuck by him,
但那根本不是OJ but that wasn't O.J.
对我那一点真实感都没有 To me it didn't ring true.
我们有时还要去罗斯科餐厅 We'd go to Roscoe's too.
去吃炸鸡和华夫饼 Go down and eat chicken and waffles.
我记得有问他：“大哥你什么时候 I remember telling him, "When in the hell
曾经吃过炸鸡和华夫饼啊” did you ever eat chicken and waffles before?"
但那就是黑人们去的地儿 But that's where black America went.
你也会听到有人说：“哦，现在你倒是黑人了 You would hear people, "Oh, so now you're black.
你倒是变成黑人了” Now you're black."
走上前来，大老非 C'mon up here, African.
我们衷心感谢你今晚能来 We appreciate you coming out tonight.
(applause)
我在贫民区长大，知道吗 I grew up in the projects, you know.
没有人曾经教过我要像黑人一样行事 No one has to tell me, you act black.
我在贫民区长大，我知道假如我不改变 I grew up in the projects, I know if I'm being black.
我会待一辈子 I am black.
从60年代末期我开始改变之后 But once I started getting over at the end of the 60's,
我一路所做的和很多 what I done is something that's happening
这个国家的黑人一样 with a lot of black men in America.
我不停地想要保护自己的社会地位 You find yourself protecting your place in society.
我不停试图和现实隔离开 You tend to think that you're immune to something.
我知道那些在外面发生的事情 You know what's happening out there is still happening,
假如你想着能够去改变什么 but you're hoping to change
那你是欺骗你自己 and you're really fooling yourself.
现在此刻，我来到了社群中间 But at this point I'm in the community.
我试着去结识那些我认为 I'm trying to hang around people that I think
能够指教我的人 can better educate me.
我认为我有一个极佳的机会 I think I have a unique opportunity here.
而我也愿意抓住这个机会 I'd like to be able to take advantage of it,
而我永远不会想要再让你们失望 and I'd like to not possibly once again let you down.
谢谢大家 Thank you.
(applause)
有天我在纽约家里，电话响了 I was at home in New York. The phone rang.
一个声音说：“喂，我是OJ And a voice said, "Hey, it's O.J.
我还想接着和你说话 I'm not done talking to you.
我不知道为什么，但是我和你说话 I don't know why, but I talk to you
感觉就像你是我的心理医生一样” like you're my shrink or something."
他接着说：“让我们假设我犯了那些罪， He said to me, "Let's say I committed this crime.
假设我杀了她，那只能是因为 If I killed her, it had to have been
我对她的感情太深了，对不对？” because I loved her very much, right?"
每一次他谈到妮可，都有这种混杂的感觉 Every time he spoke about Nicole it was this mix
有挚爱、烦躁、 of affection, irritation,
恼怒，以及某种程度上想要证明 indignation and kind of wanting to prove to the person
给听者说，她是一个麻烦的人物 he's speaking to that she was impossible.
他从不像其他人那样表露情感 He's not wired like everybody else.
他从来没为妮可或是孩子们掉过眼泪 He never wept for Nicole or the kids.
比如我的孩子们将在成长过程中失去妈妈的陪伴 Like, my kids are gonna have to grow up without their mom.
西德尼和贾斯汀在布朗家生活 The Browns had Sidney and Justin.
我们不得不接送孩子们 We'd have to transfer the kids,
让他们可以在周末和他们父亲在一起 so they could go and spend the weekend with their dad.
那是他们的亲爹，我尊重这一点 It's their dad and I'm respecting that.
之前，我们谈及过一次对话 Before, we were talking about a conversation
你和朱迪在上个月还是什么时候 you had with Judy in the last month or so
在拉古那的时候 down in Laguna.
OJ告诉他的心理医生贾斯汀 O.J. told the psychologist that Justin
给他打过电话，请他前去 had been calling him, for him to come down
看他打篮球 to watch him play basketball.
心理医生说：“既然是这样， The psychologist said, "Well, if that's the case,
你应该去” you should go."
我一开始并不知情 I did not know until after all this happened
布朗一家会不知道OJ要去 that the Browns didn't know that O.J. was coming down.
我们走进了体育馆，我们观看了贾斯汀热身 We walked into the gym and we watched Justin warm up.
朱迪走了过来，他坐在我的后面 Judy walks in, she sits behind me,
说着：“我需要和你说话” and she says, "I want to talk to you."
她的大意是我是一个懦夫、胆小鬼 I think she referred to me as a coward or gutless
以及类似的东西 or something like that.
她说我被OJ给控制了 She said something about O.J. controlling me,
接着卢走了过来 then Lou walked up.
他开门见山地说这里没人想见到你们 He started in on me about nobody wants you down here.
他提到了别把事情闹大什么的 He said something about a scene.
我说：“这里本来没有事情” I said, "There's no scene, here."
我说：“如果非要说有什么事情，那也是朱迪发起的 I said, "If anybody's making a scene here it's Judy.
OJ没有做任何事” O.J. hasn't done anything."
奥瑞修‧詹姆斯‧辛普森申请终止 对儿童西德尼‧布鲁克‧辛普森以及贾斯汀‧瑞安‧辛普森的 现有监护 许可上述申请
孩子们被带离了我母亲 The kids were taken away from my mom
在圣诞前夜 on Christmas Eve.
让人心碎 That was devastating.
西德尼经常会说：“我想” Sydney would say, "I wanna go."
回她外婆家 to her grandparents,
辛普森会说：“他们要的又不是你 and he said, "They don't want you.
他们要的只是钱 They want you for the money.
你对他们来说就意味着抚养费 They want you for the child support.
那就是他们想要的” That's why they want you."
凶神恶煞的 It was strained.
有一晚，我去罗金汉姆看他 One night, I went to Rockingham,
我们在外面喝着滚石啤酒 and we're drinking Rolling Rock beer outside,
他抽着大麻 and he was smoking pot.
他环视了一圈后院 He was looking around the backyard,
回顾了所有在那里举办过的活动 reliving all the different events that had happened there.
我若无其事地问他，6月12号那晚到底怎么了 And I just asked him, what happened June 12th?
他反问我，我觉得发生了什么 And he asked me what I thought happened.
我说：“我其实一直都觉得你可能下了手” I said, "I have always thought you probably did it."
我说：“我知道你给考林斯说过 I said, "I know what you told A.C.,
你那晚去过那里 that you went there,
你只是去看看情况的 but you just went to see what was going on,
你并没有带一把刀去” but you didn't take a knife."
他摇了摇头，说：“是啊” He shook his head and he said, "Yeah."
然后他说，假如她没有在开门时 And he said that if she wouldn't have opened the door
拽着一把刀，说不定她还活着 with a knife, she'd still be alive.
我长期以来都一直相信 I believed that for the longest time.
然后那天…… And then I...
他就是去杀她的 He went there to kill her.
他去杀她因为她给他的感觉 He went there to kill her because of how she made him feel,
被拒绝 being rejected.
她不再需要他 That she didn't need him.
再加上，当然的，马库斯的因素 And then, of course, the Marcus factor.
我比你强 I'm better than you.
他视马库斯为自己 He was seeing Marcus was him
只是要年轻15岁 15 years younger.
而最让我闹心的部分是 And I guess the part that bothers me about it,
他留那些孩子在楼上 is he left the kids upstairs
扬长而去 to walk out.
他们完全有可能走出来看到自己母亲的样子 They could've walked out and found their mom like that.
假如我明天就死，之前我会坚信他就是凶手 I die tomorrow, I would know without a doubt that he did it.
没有一丝一毫怀疑说不定他没有 Not even a slight maybe that he didn't.
我们准备了一年时间来提交民事诉讼 We had a year to file the civil suit.
我们想要一个法庭说出：“你犯罪了” We wanted a court of law to say, "You did it."
今天早上OJ辛普森重新回到了新闻上 O.J. Simpson is back in the news this morning.
他希望他在这个“异常死亡”诉讼中的证词 He wanted his deposition in the wrongful death lawsuits
能够保密，但一个圣塔莫尼卡的法官 kept secret but a judge in Santa Monica
周三裁定他的证言将不会被封存 ruled Wednesday that his testimony will not be sealed.
法官同时裁定其过程还将被录影 The judge also ruled it will be video taped.
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现在开始对奥瑞修‧詹姆斯‧辛普森的录影记录1
到场的是原告弗雷德里克·高德曼 Present is plaintiff Frederick Goldman.
为证言起誓 Swear the witness.
请你举起你的右手 Would you raise your right hand please?
我想要在场，当那些证言 I wanted to be in the room when the deposition
被记录的时候 was being taken.
上帝保佑你？我会的 ... so help you God? I do.
然后就可以对他说：“我们会逮到你” To be able to say, "We're after you."
你还记得有一次你追打过她？ Do you recall an incident when you chased her?
不记得 No.
抓住她？ Grabbed her?
不记得 No.
把她扔到墙上？ Threw her into the walls?
不记得 No.
把她所有的衣服从窗子扔出去 Threw all of her clothes out the window
落到街上？ into the street?
不记得 No.
给她造成淤伤？不？ And bruised her? No.
你一件都记不起了？ You don't recall any of that?
不记得 No.
听他说话可以说是从恶心 Listening to him was everything from disgust
到惊诧都有 to astonishment.
对不起？ Excuse me?
我说别回答 I said don't answer.
但是他小声说了什么，贝克先生 But, he whispered something, Mr. Baker.
不，我没有 No, I did not.
你的嘴动了 You mouthed something.
我想我有权对自己说点什么 I think I'm allowed to mouth something to myself,
对吧？ aren't I?
你说了什么？ What did you mouth?
他非常自大 He was cocky.
他从不坦白承认任何事 He was never forthcoming with anything.
(O.J. laughing)
我们继续开始录像 We are back on the record now.
他会一直笑 He'd be smiling,
就像整件事是一个玩笑一样 like the whole thing was a joke.
那张纸是做什么用的？ What is that paper there for?
我设计了一个球洞给他打 I designed a golf hole that he's gonna play.
在他即将下的球场上 The course he's gonna play,
而我只是在告诉他一个球洞 and I was just telling him about a hole
在一个高尔夫球场上 that's on that golf course.
那就是整件事对他有多严肃 And that's how seriously he was taking it.
你是否曾经购买过 Did you ever buy shoes
品牌为布鲁玛妮的鞋子？ that you knew were Bruno Magli's shoes?
没有 No.
你如何能确定？ How do you know that?
因为我知道假如布鲁玛妮做的鞋子 'Cause I know if Bruno Magli makes shoes
就和咱们在法庭上见到过的 that look like the shoes that they had in court
和案子有关的那双一样的话 that's involved in this case,
我绝不会穿那种丑爆了的鞋子 I would have never worn those ugly-ass shoes.
他可以对一切事情撒谎 He'd lied about everything.
那身体里没有一根骨头是诚实的 There's not an honest bone in his body.
你一直纠结于 You were sort of obsessed
她和基斯在一起的事，对不对？ with her having that relationship with Keith, right?
不对 No.
完全没有困扰过你？ Didn't bother you at all?
她和基斯，和马库斯 Her with Keith, with Marcus,
和其他任何人，都完全没有困扰我 with any of 'em, didn't bother me at all.
- 一点都没有吗？ - 没有 - Not at all? - No.
他已经活在谎言里，戴着这种假面 He's lived a life of fraud and being a fake
天知道多长的时间了 for God knows how many decades,
到了某种程度他自己都会相信自己那些狗屁 to a point where I think he just believes his own bull.
我需要去放个水 I gotta take a leak.
考林斯先生，我会需要你看一下 Mr. Cowlings, I'm going to ask you to look at
这些照片 this picture.
它之前被标记为45号证物 It's been previously marked as exhibit number 45.
请问你是否认得那张照片 Ask if you recognize that picture.
45号 45.
是的 Yes.
照片上的人你认为是谁？ And who do you recognize that to be?
妮可 Nicole.
那是否是她的样子 And does that appear to be the way
当你赶到那里 that Nicole looked when you went over there
那天早上的时候…… that early morning time...
嘿，请让我缓一下 Hey man, you give me a break.
OJ辛普森民事案今日开庭审理 The O.J. Simpson civil case gets under way today.
妮可·布朗·辛普森的家庭 The families of Nicole Brown Simpson
和罗纳德·高德曼的家庭起诉了他 and Ronald Goldman are suing him.
这一次法官把摄像机 This time the judge is keeping cameras
请出了法庭 out of the courtroom.
我真心，真心，真心希望那过程被转播了 I truly, truly, truly wish it had been televised.
那是一种完全不同的氛围 It was a totally different dynamic.
不再是凶手和他的律师们 No longer the killer and his attorneys
主宰着法庭 in charge of the courtroom.
而是法律机器自身在运转 It was the system at work.
同时，陪审团也会有相当的区别 Meanwhile, the jury's going to look very different
这一次 in this case.
你来到了不同的区域 You're coming out of a different area.
你来到了圣塔莫尼卡区域 You're coming out of the Santa Monica area,
而不是洛杉矶市区 instead of downtown Los Angeles.
显而易见，陪审员库 Obviously, the makeup of your jury pool
会有很大的不同 is gonna be different.
基本上，他们就是重复了我们上一次的呈现方式 Basically, they just repeated the case that we presented,
但是他们这次有辛普森了 but they had Simpson.
他们可以把他传到证人席 They could call him to the witness stand
然后交叉询问他 and cross-examine him.
其中一个焦点就在于他是否拥有过 One of the things that came up was if he owned the shoes.
布鲁玛妮的鞋子 Bruno Magli's.
因为有那种鞋子的鞋印 Because of the footprints of those shoes
出现在案发现场 were at the crime scene.
你觉得那些是丑爆了的鞋子 You thought those were ugly-ass shoes.
是的 Yes.
真的吗？ Really?
错误，骗子 Wrong, liar.
我们不仅看到了照片显示他穿着 Not only did we see photographs of him wearing
那些丑鞋子 the ugly-ass shoes,
我们还可以用它们去比对现场 we were then able to compare it to the footprints
发现的那些鞋印 at the crime scene.
然后结果再次是吻合 And we're right back to done.
那是稀有的鞋子 Rare shoes.
在这个国家只售出了299双 Only 299 pairs sold in this country.
OJ辛普森说过他没有那种鞋子 O.J. Simpson said that he'd never own the shoes,
但他却又不得不承认照片里的人 and yet he was forced to admit that that was him
确实是他 in the picture.
那感觉就像是看一个小孩儿 It was like watching a little child
手伸到饼干罐里时被逮了现行 getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
整个过程就是再次确认在我心里 All it did was reaffirm what I knew,
坚信的东西 in my heart,
那就是他是一个凶手 and that was he was a murderer.
是时候关注OJ辛普森民事案了 Time to turn our attention to the O.J. Simpson civil case.
陪审团将于今日开始合议 The jury is expected to begin deliberations today.
在一个民事法庭上你只需要证明 In a civil trial all you have to prove
多数证据支持你有罪就行了 is that they're guilty by a preponderance of the evidence.
那意味着“极有可能”就是有罪 That means more likely than not.
51%的证据就够了 51% is enough.
那是非常低的证据支撑标准 It's a very low standard of proof.
和刑事法庭有天壤之别 Completely different than the criminal trial.
一条短暂的插播，各位观众 A very brief interruption, everybody.
或许你之前还没有听说，就在此刻 In case you haven't heard the news until now,
已经有一个判决达成了，关于OJ there has been a verdict in the O.J. Simpson
辛普森在加利福利亚的民事案 civil trial in California.
从现在开始35到45分钟之间 Between 35 and 45 minutes from now,
所有人将要回到圣塔莫尼卡的法庭 everybody will be back in the courtroom in Santa Monica
去听取判决 to hear the verdict.
我要提醒大家，今天在华盛顿 Just to remind people, we are in Washington today.
为了观众们能理解 Helps our audience.
我的上级决定，之前开始的 My employers have decided that some time ago,
总统先生的全国讲话 that the President's address to the nation
对于未来更加重要 is what's important to the future
而且也更加精彩，我想，老实说，其实我们都 and is fascinated, I guess to be honest, as we all are
更想关注OJ辛普森的判决 about the O.J. Simpson verdict.
但既然是老板的决定 Our bosses have made the decision,
让我们切回到讲话现场 so let's go back.
(applause)
我们必须加强与中国对话的深度 We must pursue a deeper dialogue with China.
我得知人们已经聚集到 I'm told people are assembling
法庭上，而他们 in the courtroom and that they expect
很快就将听到判决 to be able to read this verdict within moments.
在OJ的直视之下 O.J. looks straight at the court
她读出了答案，是的 and she read the answer, yes,
辛普森负有偿付责任，对于 that Simpson was liable for the death
妮可·布朗·辛普森和罗纳德·高德曼的死亡 of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.
这个陪审团取得了一致意见 This jury was unified in their decision.
毫无疑问他做出了那些行径 There was no question that he had committed these acts,
没人怀疑不是他对事件负有全责 and he was totally responsible beyond any doubt.
真是太棒了 It was amazing.
终于有一个法庭说，你对荣的死负有责任 Finally had a court say you're responsible for Ron's death.
我们的家庭一直渴求一个 Our family is grateful for a verdict
负责任的判决，这是我们全部的需求 of responsibility which is all we ever wanted,
而我们得到了，感谢上帝 and we have it, thank God.
(cheering)
辛普森被判负有850万美元的偿付责任 Simpson was found liable to the tune of $8,500,000.
而陪审团的工作并没有结束 And the jury isn't finished yet.
周二陪审员们将返回听取证词 On Thursday jurors will return to hear testimony
以决定追加的惩罚性金额 about additional punitive damage.
有罪！ Guilty!
总计3300万美元 Total $33,000,000.
我们都被那个数字惊呆了 We were so shocked at the figure,
简直太惊人了 it was astonishing.
但是大家可能不知道民事案件的一点是 But what people don't realize about a civil trial
一份判决书就只是一张纸而已 is that a judgment is a piece of paper,
那就是你拿到手的东西 and that is what you get.
接下来的工作要交给债主本人 Then, it becomes the creditor's responsibility
去寻找那些收债的方式 to figure out a way to collect on it.
你是否有一种道德义务去偿付那些钱？ Do you have a moral obligation to pay any of that?
我不觉得我有道德义务去付钱 I don't feel I have a moral obligation to pay,
因为在道德层面，我没有做错任何事 because morally, I've done nothing wrong.
我想我有一种法定义务 I think I have a legal obligation
当我有钱的时候就要偿付 when I have money to pay.
我倒想我可以签一个5000万的合约 I wish I could sign a $50,000,000 contract
然后给他们一切想要我给的 and give them whatever they have to give,
或者说我能赢得上诉也说不定 if I knew I could get it back on appeal.
哦，他清楚他是付不了的 Oh, he knew he'd never pay.
对于体制来说，最终目的就是要 Because the system wanted to make certain
让他倾家荡产一个子都不留 that they got everything he had,
他们请来了评估明星地产的人 they brought in the guy that handles the estates
评估过玛丽莲·梦露、猫王，还有詹姆斯·迪恩 of Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, and James Dean,
他说OJ是跟那些人一个重量级的 to say that O.J. was in that same class,
他能够赚取那种级别的财富 that he would make that kinda money
并且继续保持下去 for the rest of his life.
作为他的经纪人，我就直接告诉你 As his agent, I'm sitting there,
没有可能 not gonna happen.
那些明星又没有杀过人 Those people didn't murder anybody,
或者至少被全美国人民认可 or at least in the perception of America,
他没有杀过人 he didn't murder anybody.
于是这变成了我们的事业去追逼他 It became our goal to be after him
直到他入土为止 for the rest of his life.
他将永远都意识到我们在盯着他 He's gonna always know that we're right behind him,
他将永远小心翼翼 looking over his shoulder,
因为我们在想办法收拾他 trying to figure out a way to get him.
今早的另一条消息是 In other news this morning,
OJ辛普森被强令缴出 O.J. Simpson has been ordered to turn over
一些贵重物品来偿付判决的债务 some precious belongings to satisfy the judgment
来自起诉他的民事案件 against him in his civil lawsuit.
这张价值50万美元的物品清单里包括 The half million dollar inventory includes
辛普森的高尔夫球杆 Simpson's golf clubs
以及安迪·沃霍尔为他画的丝网画 and his Andy Warhol silkscreen of himself.
辛普森被规定于7日内上缴这些物品 Simpson will have seven days to turn over the items
以供拍卖 to be sold.
我们在办公室收到了一份传真 We had received a fax in the office.
县警办公室希望获知哪里可以停放 Sheriff's department needed to know where to park
那两辆巨型的卡车 these two giant moving trucks.
所以我们提前一天知道了他们会来 So, we knew the day before that they were coming
收缴所有的那些东西 to seize these various items.
有那么一些人 There was quite a few people.
他的家人还有朋友搬了一些东西走 His family and friends moving stuff out
带去了各自的家里 and taking it to different homes.
OJ在外打高尔夫 O.J. was out playing golf.
回避现实 Deniability.
县警他们会闯进大门 Sheriff's department, they were coming through the gates
在早上七八点钟的时候 at 8 o'clock or 7 o'clock or something.
在他们到达之前，我离开了 As they were coming in, I was leaving.
真正的离开，门在同一时间打开了 Literally, gates were open at the same time.
我离开了那里 I left.
我带着他的一些藏品、私人物品 I had his collectibles, personal items,
蒂凡尼台灯、地毯 Tiffany lamps, carpet.
一些东西运送到了一个储物间 A bunch of stuff went out to a storage unit
位于旧金山南部，多数都散开了 in south San Francisco, but it was scattered.
四处都有 I mean, just all over.
就像是圣经里的洪水把一切都卷走了 It was like a biblical flood carrying away everything.
他过着穷奢极欲的生活 He lived a materialistically lavish life,
但那些都是身外之物 but that wasn't what was most important.
当他们要收走他母亲的钢琴的时候 When they wanted his mother's piano,
才真正对他造成了动摇 that rocked his foundation.
他们追到了波特雷罗山的老宅 They wanted her house up in Potrero Hill.
那事情对他打击蛮大 Those things bothered him.
而让我难以接受的是他们开始收缴 It bothered me when they started taking
那些我认为完全没有道理的东西 things that I didn't think was just.
OJ，向你致以所有人的敬意 O.J., the congratulations of all of us
为了你树立的这样优秀的榜样 for your impeccable character.
谢谢你，考塞尔先生 Thank you, Mr. Cosell.
感谢你，辛普森先生 Thank you, Mr. Simpson.
你怎么能拿走他的海斯曼奖杯？ How do you take away his Heisman?
在那个时代，我还是 That was who he was when I was innocent
而他也是无辜的 and he was innocent.
这个海斯曼奖杯是送给你的吗？ Was that Heisman given to you?
不，它不是送给我的 No, it wasn't given to me.
我基本上是直接拿的 I basically just took it.
我与辛普森先生有个约定 I had an arrangement with Mr. Simpson,
他要付给我一定数额的钱 where I would be paid X amount of money
或者我也可以直接拿一些东西 or I could take it out in memorabilia.
所以我就拿了这个海斯曼还有一些别的 So I took the Heisman and a few other items
它们现在属于我了 I figured were mine.
国税局已经提交了扣押申请针对OJ辛普森的 The IRS has filed a lien against O.J. Simpson's
布伦特伍德房产 Brentwood mansion.
申请上表明他拖欠了超过68.5万美元的税款本金、 It says he owes more than $685,000 in back taxes,
利息以及罚金 interest, and penalties.
我是有一段时间没有缴过税了 I haven't made any payments in quite awhile.
我爱那个屋子，我的孩子们都在那长大 I love the house, my kids were born there.
我在那里失去了一个女儿 I lost a daughter there.
那里有我很多的美好回忆，但都要结束了 We had some great times there but it's gone,
现在我得另找住处了 and now I gotta find some place else
去创造新的回忆，重新开始 to have some great times, you know, move on.
在罗金汉姆的最后一天 The last day at Rockingham,
是非常独特和奇妙的一天 it was kind of an odd, surreal day.
对我来说充满着各种情绪 For me it was emotional,
对于OJ来说，我觉着大概是哀莫大于心死吧 and for O.J., I guess he had kinda mentally checked out,
真死了 where it wasn't.
嘿，麦克 Hey, Mike.
我想要你到那边去，从围墙外面开始拍 I want you to go over there and shoot over the fence,
然后走进前门，我就可以这样…… walk through the gate, so I can give you the old...
他对我说：“现在走出门去” He's like, "Okay, now go outside of the gate."
装作我是一个不速之客，偷偷溜进他的门 Like I'm a tourist, and I'm sneaking in through his gate,
拍到他把国旗拿下来 filming him taking the flag down.
因为那些娱乐小报愿意为这类东西付15万 Because the tabloids were paying like 150 grand,
20万什么的，极高的价钱 200 grand, crazy money.
喂，这里是私人土地 Hey, this is private property.
请别这样，喂 C'mon man, look.
别这样，让我歇歇吧 C'mon man, gimme a break.
行了吧，好了 C'mon guy, c'mon.
把旗子升上去，拿下来，又升上去 Putting the flag up, taking it down, putting it up,
再拿下来 taking it down.
他把旗子折起来，然后试着找点情绪 Him folding it and trying to get emotional,
挤点儿眼泪出来 where he's tearing up.
他是真的用心试了一下，挤眼泪 He's really working it, tearing up.
你省省吧，你真是有品啊 Oh, man, that's real classy.
再会 Take care.
2001年10月11日 纽约
现在什么人都想在OJ身上挖料啊 Everybody's chasing O.J. for a story today.
跟我做访谈，做个访谈 Do an interview, do an interview.
我要你来做个访谈 I need you to do an interview.
我会给你找乐子的 I'm gonna dog you out bad, too.
我会给你牵线的 I'm gonna pimp ya.
我需要一个挑战 I needed a challenge.
我能包装任何人、任何东西，什么都行 I can promote anybody, anything, it doesn't matter.
所以我的律师找到我说 So, my attorney came back and he said,
“我找到了正适合你的，OJ辛普森” "I got just the thing for you, it's O.J. Simpson."
我心说，还真是挑战来着 I'm like well, that's a challenge.
我心说，有趣 I'm like "Hm."
- 你们好啊，伙计们，还好吗 - 你好啊
上谁的节目？
克里斯托
这才像话嘛
我把他放到一个他最喜欢的氛围里 I put him in a world where he was happy again.
然后当我看到气氛起来了 Then, when I saw what happened,
我就说我们要找个摄像机来全部拍下来 I said we should just get a camera and film this.
干杯，OJ Cheers, O.J.
干杯 Cheers.
我想可能会有人不高兴 I think that there were people offended
现在你在这儿 now that you're here.
你知道，我倾向于认为那些不高兴的人 You know, I would think that the ones who were offended
应该已经换台了 may be tuned into another channel.
我不知道，只是据我猜测 I don't know, that's just a guess of mine.
我觉得你的听众应该大部分 I would like to think that the majority of your listeners
不会不高兴 would not be offended.
我知道你愿意这样认为，OJ I know you'd like to think that, O.J.,
但我不能确定 but I'm not sure.
首先，我想说的是 First, I just wanna say,
请你来是很有趣的一件事 it's interesting to have you here.
谢谢你 Thank you.
他的名气仍然在，不管是好名气还是坏…… He was still famous and fame, infamy...
OJ，我被告知不要问你关于那件事的问题 O.J., I was told not to ask you about the incident.
这里面有什么原因吗？ Is there any reason why?
什么事情？ What incident?
和妮可那件事 The incident with Nicole.
因为就没有啥好说的 'Cause there's nothing to talk about.
因为你已经证明是无罪…… 'Cause you were proven innocent...
因为我就是无罪的，也证明了是无罪的 Because I was innocent, I was proven innocent,
一但要提那一茬，我们又要回到 and once we open that we're back into the...
多少？7年以前？ It's what, seven years now?
翻来覆去，翻来覆去的，烦不？ It's over and over and over, ya know?
人不是常说要往前看嘛 I mean they tell you life goes on.
当我们谈起OJ的时候 We talk about O.J.
似乎我们在说关于OJ的故事 as though the story is O.J.
那么，当你出门在外，比如走在 So, when you travel and when you're walking
大街上之类的 down the street and things like that,
人们对你是怎样的反应？ what type of reaction do you get from people?
其实这是OJ和我们的故事 The story is O.J. and us.
还是那样的反应，只是可能感情更强一些 The exact reaction, maybe a little more emotional,
比起15年前 that I got 15 years ago.
如果你和我一起走到街上 If you took a walk with me down the street,
你会惊讶的 you'd be amazed.
我不管走到哪，白人、黑人，每个地方 I don't care where I go, white, black, wherever I go.
每个人对我都很亲切 Everybody's terrific.
看着不同的人们，给我的那些反应 The different people, watching their reactions
感觉真的非常美好 was quite amazing.
那就是我为什么要打橄榄球 That's why I played football.
普莱西斯？ Precious?
怎么拼写的 Spell it for me.
我的个天，这真的是OJ辛普森 Oh my, God, it's really O.J. Simpson.
在我们镇上 In our town.
他真的在这儿 He's really here.
你没有问我的年纪，我现在告诉你
我已经74岁了
但我就想见OJ
我这辈子都想着要见你啊
我来自纽约
我正在放寒假
让我来
他离不开名望 He was addicted to fame,
而事实是舞台从来就没有落幕 and the reality is the music didn't stop.
你想要我签在哪里？ Where do you want to do this?
我不知道，你对白人女的有一套 I don't know, you're good with the white women,
现在好像黑人女的也见 now I see black women.
嘿，我对姐妹们也不赖哦，宝贝 Hey, I'm good with the sisters too, baby.
假如你不是已经有孩子有男人 If you didn't already have a kid and a man
比我更重要的话…… out there that's bigger than me.
噢，少来了，OJ Oh please, O.J.
哦，你就是哇 Oh, you're here.
对，他就在那 See, he's in here.
忘了我刚才说的 Forget what I just said.
你知道吗，OJ？ But you know what, O.J.?
你别生气 Not for nothing.
俗话说“好黑不皱” Good black don't crack,
而你的确看起来不错 and you certainly do look good.
他的确不错
我刚才说了什么？
你还是要把持一下自己，对不？ You wanna catch yourself, right?
我不确定，OJ I don't know, O.J.
我不确定 I don't know.
你和他在一起的时候会起一些奇妙的反应 Something takes over when you're in his presence.
他会让你暂时忘记那些肮脏黑暗的现实 He's taking you away from the sordid dark reality,
包括你正面对着一个 but you're sitting across from somebody
可能犯下杀人罪行的人 who probably committed murder.
(advertisements drowning out conversation)
那些都消失了，只剩下这种感觉 All that goes away and there's just this sense
你想要相信他，想要走进他 of wanting to believe him and go with him
营造的那种一切照旧的世界里 to this place where everything is still okay.
真正的正义不是源于个人意志的 The truly righteous are not the self-righteous,
记住这句话 just remember that.
我在《古兰经》上看到的 I read that in the Quran.
OJ，我想要自己说我讨厌你，我受不了你 O.J., I wanna say I don't like you, I can't stand you.
我想指着鼻子骂你，我想立即把你轰出去 I wanna call you names, I wanna throw you right out of here,
但是，你知道吗 but, ya know what?
你老公看着呢，你要注意一下 Your husband's watching, you better watch.
你把我迷住了 You've done it to me.
我能邀请你来派对吗？ Can I invite you to a party?
当然，我会去的 Sure, I'll be there.
他的朋友称之为“OJ效应” His friends would call it the O.J. effect.
他们会说：“是滴，你被OJ了” They would say "Yeah, you got O.J.ed."
“被OJ”的意思就是被迷住了 Being O.J.ed is being charmed.
你感到那种迷惑感 The confusion that you feel
当你和他同处一室 after you've been in his presence.
我当然不会相信他是无辜的 I don't think he was not guilty,
但是我切身感到的是我想要 but I was in touch with the fact that I wanted
去相信他是无辜的 to think he was not guilty.
OJ，你这该死的，我喜欢你 O.J., damn you, I like you.
谢谢你，该死的 Thank you. Damn you.
你该死的 Damn you.
该死的 Damn you.
不要！ No!
我的天呢，他抱了我！ Oh my gosh, he hugged me!
(O.J. laughing)
该死的，OJ Damn you, O.J.
该死的，OJ辛普森，你很迷人 Damn you, O.J. Simpson, you're charming.
好的，谢谢你 Well, thank you.
他能吸了你的魂魄，然后你会喜欢上他 He can get into your head and you'll like him.
你无处可逃 There's no way around it.
我不认识那个凶杀版OJ I didn't know O.J. the murderer.
那事情发生的时候我在局子里蹲着呢 I was in jail at the time when the thing happened.
我记得那个英雄版OJ I remember O.J. the hero.
我10岁的时候打橄榄球 Playing football as a 10 year old,
念念有词：我是OJ辛普森开始冲球！ saying I'm O.J. Simpson running with the ball.
我记得那个搞笑的电影版OJ I remember O.J. the charming movie guy.
警察，放下武器！ Police, throw down your guns!
那个从小看到大的巨大形象 The mega hero growing up.
OJ溜进了在芝加哥举办的全国棒球卡博览会 O.J. crashed the national baseball card show in Chicago
然后坐在一张桌子后面签名 and was sitting at a table signing autographs,
登时排起了一条长龙 and there was a line around the aisle for him
直到主办方赶到把他轰出去为止 until the promoters came and threw him out.
他每签一个名应该是收的150美元 He was charging, I think, $150 an autograph.
那个让我琢磨着 So, that's what made me think, you know, hey.
这里面挺有商机的 This could be worth it.
我们会邀请他一次签200个名那样 We'd hire him to sign 200 autographs.
你还有啥？还有80个那玩意儿？ What do you got there, you got another 80 items?
给我摆个电视机放南加大的比赛，我全给你搞定 You know, put the TV on the USC game and I'll take care of them.
我喜欢这家伙 I liked the guy.
走个穴，他能拿到5万到10万美元 Public appearances, he'd get 50 to 100 grand.
他的一个要务是要躲着高德曼那一家 It was a matter of him hiding from the Goldmans.
他雇了一个团队来确保 He had a team of people to make sure
他的所有进项都受到保护 that any money he could get was gonna be protected.
他们会注册一些皮包公司 They would form some phony company
然后全部用来洗钱 and funnel the money through that.
然后他搬到了弗罗里达 Then he moved to Florida.
他的房产突然变得不可触碰 His home suddenly became untouchable.
而他的养老金已经是不可触碰了，依据法定 His pension was untouchable already, by law.
迈阿密，南滩 South Beach, Miami.
在那没人管你是谁 Nobody judges you there.
没人说什么谋杀犯 Nobody said murderer.
他们只想围着他 They just wanted to touch him.
所以他过得很逍遥，非常逍遥 So, he was living large, living large.
开放了？ You rolling?
(news intro music)
此时此刻，OJ辛普森 是一名在逃嫌犯 ♪ Right now, O.J. Simpson ♪ ♪ is a fugitive of justice ♪
OJ辛普森，橄榄球 传奇，刚刚变成了 ♪ O.J. Simpson, football ♪ ♪ legend, has just become ♪
主要嫌犯 两条人命 ♪ The prime suspect ♪ ♪ in a double murder. ♪
我老天，弗罗里达就像一场噩梦 Oh God, Florida was just like a nightmare.
我痛恨弗罗里达的一切 I hate everything about Florida,
所有在弗罗里达的那些事 everything that's happened in Florida.
就在这场世纪审判 ♪ In the trial of the century ♪
决定一个英雄的命运 ♪ Lies a hero's destiny ♪
告诉我OJ 会发生什么事 ♪ Tell me O.J., ♪ ♪ what's it gonna be ♪
每一个人都想成名 ♪ Every man wants to be made ♪
就在这场世纪审判 ♪ In the trial of the century ♪
决定一个英雄的命运 ♪ Lies a hero's destiny ♪
那是我的酒 That's my drink.
那这是谁的 Whose drink is this?
那是你的 That's yours up there.
狗贱逼 Motherfucker.
那贱逼还真有种 That motherfucker had the nerve...
在弗罗里达，他的朋友圈变得非常不同 In Florida, his group of friends was much different.
你搞明白那道道了吗 Did you get that set up?
我们得从他们那挤更多钱出来 We gotta get some more money outta out of them.
圣诞前那周 Week before Christmas.
他们不是像林恩·斯万、罗西葛·来尔那样的人 （橄榄球名宿） They weren't the Lynn Swann's and the Rosey Grier's.
喂，你他妈影响我们打球 Yo, fucking with our game, man.
他尽和那些江湖气息很重的人打交道 He hung around with anybody that was more thuggish.
声名不好的人 The lower people.
但对于那些人，他就是老大 But to the lower people, he was like the Godfather.
你他妈打搅我们打球了知道不 You fucking with our golf game, okay?
我们是出来开心的 We out here to have a good time
而你来给我们添堵来着 and you fucking with our game.
正因如此，他的自我愈发膨胀了 Because of that, his head grew.
你是黑武士
他们想要我是
你就是黑武士，坏蛋
他们从你身上感受到了黑暗，坏蛋
OJ彻底堕落到阴暗面的时候 When O.J. crossed over into the dark side,
似乎正是我出场的时候 I guess that's probably where I came in at, you know?
我不是什么名人 Because I'm no celebrity.
不是橄榄球星或者棒球球星 I'm not football star or baseball star.
我就是个普通人，但他蛮器重我的 I was a regular guy, but he seemed to like me.
我开始和OJ裹在一起 I started liking to hang out with O.J.
因为可以沾不少光 because of the perks.
我们去脱衣舞厅、去夜店 We went to strip clubs, went to night clubs.
我们饮酒作乐，撩妹 We'd drink and check out the girls,
我们周围从来就不缺女人 and there was always an ample amount of women around.
他说：“你知道最疯狂的一点是 He said, "You know what's crazy is
我现在还比以前更受女人欢迎了 I'm getting more girls now.
我现在身上有坏小子标签了，以前是没有的 Now I got bad boy image and I was never a bad boy.
我就不禁会想了，她们脑子里装的啥 I have to wonder, what are they thinking,
我可是被控杀了自己的妻子啊” because I was accused of murdering my wife."
我来迈阿密之后，我有约过一个古巴妞 Since I've been in Miami, I've gone out with a Cuban girl,
一个委内瑞拉的，还有一个白人 a Venezuelan girl, and a white girl.
媒体上就只会出现那个白人 You only see the white girl in the media,
然后所有人都说她们都长得像妮可 and they all look like Nicole from what they say.
当我开始记录他的生活时候 At the time I started chronicling him,
他正跟这个女友克里斯蒂·布罗迪在一起 he was involved with his girlfriend, Christie Prody,
然后我第一次看到她开着敞篷车的镜头 and the first time I saw her drive in in a convertible
我知道，宝贝 I know, baby.
我愣了一会，因为晃眼一看 ... I did a double take, because from a distance,
她和妮可就像一个模子刻出来的 she looked like a spitting image of Nicole.
他没事，他没事 He's fine, he's fine.
我信任他 I believe in this man.
他自由落体了 He was going down,
我的确切意思是他不再关心 and what I mean by that is he had no interest
什么伦理节操、道德底线 in getting to either safer ground or higher ground,
假如还有的话 if it existed.
他会一直下落，直至深渊 He was gonna go to, essentially, decadence.
(laughter and reveling)
他们讲的是我，宝贝！ They're talking about me, baby!
克里斯蒂·布罗迪，吸毒，然后戒毒 Christie Prody, the cocaine and then she'd get clean,
然后他不停想办法要让她吸更多的毒 and then he couldn't get her coked up enough.
我问他为什么 I asked him why.
你明知道她意志薄弱 You know she can't stop.
你倒是可以吸几天然后就停下来 You can do coke for a couple of days and then stop.
她做不到 She can't.
她会停不下来 She will keep doing coke.
我说操！ I say damn.
他说：“是滴，但她一吸这个就会给我找更多妞 He said, "Yeah, but when she does this she gets me more girls
比我自己找更多” than I get myself."
我们得保持裆部清洁 We gotta get some closeups of the crotch,
做宣传怎么能没有裆部镜头 can't be pimpin' without some crotch shots.
这里最重要的一个裆 The only crotch that matters around here,
就是这一个裆 that crotch right there,
你听懂我的话没 ya understand what I'm talking about?
把它藏好了 Gotta hide this here.
铺了这么大一张纸 I gotta big sheet of paper here,
所以别担心 so don't even worry about it.
你知道，一个运动员应该让公众产生价值认同 Ya know, the public has to identify with an athlete.
你可以赞叹他的运动能力 You can be in awe of an athlete,
而很多运动员的运动能力 and there's many athletes out there
都让你惊叹，但你还想要了解那个人 that you in awe of, but you wanna feel
的为人和内在 a part of that person.
我想人们是视我为榜样的 I think people view me as a certain way,
而我也不想让他们失望 and I don't wanna let them down.
你和以前有什么不同吗 Are you any different than you were
和10年以前？ 10 years ago?
20年？ 20?
30年？ 30?
我还是一直以来的那个我 I'm just the way I've always been.
我看着自己告诉自己我是一个好人 I look at myself and think I'm a good guy.
我真心相信，在大多数情况下 I truly believe, in the most part,
你总是得到你自己种的果子 that you get what you deserve in this world.
如果你自己允许不好的事情 If you allow things to happen to you,
不好的事情就会发生在你身上 they will happen to you.
你觉得OJ是个好看的家伙吗 You think O.J.'s a good looking guy?
如果我喜欢男人，我都会上他 If I liked guys, I'd do him.
我的天啊 Oh, God.
他会化妆出门然后去搞恶作剧 He would go in makeup and spoof people,
类似于你被“果汁”了，或是别的什么玩意 like you've been "Juiced" or whatever the hell it was.
OJ卖的橘子 Oranges from O.J.
OJ就在这 O.J., right here.
行行好，帮帮果汁先生，我现在需要帮助 C'mon, help the Juice, I'm kinda down and out.
就像是去看双头牛 It was like going and seeing the two-headed cow
在马戏团里之类 at the circus or something.
新奇秀 The freak show.
为啥人们问我 到底想啥 ♪ Why do people wonder ♪ ♪ about my intentions ♪
为啥人们问我 这样那样 ♪ Why do people ask ♪ ♪ me so many questions ♪
我怎么就能够爬上顶上 ♪ 'Bout how I made it to the top ♪
我怎么就能够总是让防守停下 ♪ 'Bout all the times I ♪ ♪ made those defensive stops ♪
看看我的行事风格就是大气 ♪ See the only way I ♪ ♪ live my life is large ♪
我的两百码比赛场数就是最多 ♪ And I got the most ♪ ♪ game with 200-plus yards ♪
OJ说：“假如90%的美国人都认为我是个凶手 O.J. said, "if 90% of America thinks I'm a killer,
谁还会在意我加点儿别的称号” who gives a shit what else they think?"
我被电击/果汁了 ♪ I got Juiced ♪
而我说：“这样的话，你的孩子们怎么办？” And I said, "Well, what about your kids?"
你的生活过得还像个24岁的 Living your life like some 24 year old
有钱烂仔 multimillionaire punk ass,
玩遍你能找到的脱衣舞厅 hit every strip club you can,
玩遍你能找齐的三人行 have all the threesomes you can.
不在意会毁掉谁的人生 Don't care about what lives you're ruining.
不在意你孩子们的目光 What your kids are seeing.
他们的成长经历 What they're experiencing.
你全都不管 You don't care.
因为你只在乎自己 Because it's all about you.
我终归远离了他，在我最后一次 I finally walked away after the last time
看到他如何对待自己子女之后 I saw how he treated his kids.
当我静下来仔细回想走过来这一路…… And when I really started looking back on everything...
我对自己说：“我他妈都做了些什么？” I said, "What in the hell did I do?"
跟着这个我自小仰望和崇拜的人 And with somebody that I grew up admiring and idolizing.
OJ也许没有良知 O.J. may not have a conscience.
他也许不会为两条人命付出代价 He may not pay for killing two people,
但我一定肯定会为帮助他脱身而付出代价 but I sure in the hell pay for helping him get away with it.
我会的 I pay.
OJ辛普森今晚再惹众怒 New outrage tonight over O.J. Simpson.
辛普森准备要出书了 Simpson is trying to sell books,
他将要在书里绘声绘影地回忆 and he's doing it in ways that have vividly revived
关于谋杀和脱罪的细节 memories of the murders and his acquittal.
朱迪思·瑞根，一个大腕出版人 Judith Regan, a sort of powerhouse publisher,
跟我说起了这个项目 told me about this project.
关于OJ辛普森，我们准备搞一个自白书出来 It's O.J. Simpson and we're gonna try to get a confession.
我怎么可能拒绝 How could I not do it?
他们愿意付给他70万美元以上 They were willing to give him 700-plus thousand dollars
作为定金 as an advance.
在那个时间点，他不仅需要那笔钱 At that point he not only needed the money,
同时也觉得人们对他的兴趣已经消减了 but thought in a while people would be less interested.
就是某种程度上他感到他被遗忘了 You know, on some level he felt he was being forgotten.
就像那些过了的岁月一样 Like the years had gone by.
名望是一头可怕的野兽 Fame's a terrible beast.
当你迷上了它而人们却遗忘了你 When you get a taste of that and people forget you,
你会度日如年 it's very hard.
我需要和他面对面听取他的讲述 I needed to sit down with him and get his story,
我感受得到他内心的挣扎 and it was emotionally difficult for him.
他说：“让我这样说吧 He goes, "I'll tell you this.
假如我做了，我应该不会是一个人” If I did it, I couldn't have done it alone."
于是那里出现了其他的人 So there was someone else there.
他说：“那里说不定会有” He said, "There might have been."
感觉他在和我玩一个把戏 And it was like he was playing this little game with me,
但并不是太高明的一个把戏 but it wasn't a particularly clever game.
接着他跟我说开车回家，从巷子开出来 Then he told me about the ride home, up the alley.
我想他转了一个右拐然后在红灯处停了下来 I assumed he made a right and stopped at the traffic light,
因为我听说有人看到了他 because I'd heard that somebody saw him.
他说：“不对，不对，我没有在那个路口停 He said, "No, no, I didn't stop at that traffic light.
我开出那个巷子然后转了左 I went up the alley and took a left,
然后沿着格鲁特格林转道圣巴西尼 and went up Grut and Green to San Basini
开回了家” and on home."
接着他察觉到我脸上的表情 And then he saw the look on my face.
他说：“那是我应该会做的 He says, "That's the way I would have gone,
知道吗，假设我做了那事” you know, had I done it."
对我而言是毫无疑问的 To me there was no doubt about it.
这些东西绝不是他编造的 He wasn't making this stuff up.
我去的路上想着他是一个凶手 I got there thinking he was a murderer,
我离开的时候无比坚信 and I left there more convinced than ever
他就是一个凶手 that he was a murderer.
能够让一个凶手开口 To give a voice to a murderer
那是超越想象的 is beyond imagination.
所有人都愿意投身其中 Everybody is more than willing to jump in
去陪他玩把戏 and play his game.
因为对他意味着收益，当然同样对 Because it's money for him and then it was gonna be
他们也是收益 money for them.
让我们去了结它吧 Well, we wanted to put an end to it.
反感于这种拿丑恶赚钱的行为 Disgusted by money for blood,
媒体大鳄鲁伯特·默多克 millions pressure publisher Rupert Murdoch,
解雇了始作俑者，叫停了书籍的出版 who fires the executive in charge and kills the book.
作为最大的债权人，我们得到了那本书的版权 As the largest debtor we got the rights to the book.
我们看过了然后深感震惊 So we read it and we were shocked.
那是你能想象的最接近坦白的东西了 It was as close to the confession as you could ever get.
我们做了一个改动，唯一的改动 We made one change and one change only:
书的标题 The title of the book.
我们把那个词“假如”缩得非常小 We took the word if and made it very small,
把它嵌到字母I的里面 and laid it into the letter I.
于是就变成了《（假如）我做了》 So it was If I Did It.
我们听到众口一词的说 We were hearing all over the place,
我们不应该这么做 we were wrong for doing it.
知道吗，我们当时的想法是，好吧 你们觉得我们错了吧，又怎样？ You know what, it was, okay, you think we're wrong, so what?
都是为了钱 It's all about money.
到底要多少钱才能让你们满足？ How much money is it gonna take to make you guys happy?
钱又不能让妮可和荣复生 It's not gonna bring Nicole or Ron back.
那本书是说不清道不明的 That book was inexplicable.
他在盘算着，我不会说我做了 He was thinking, I'm not gonna say I did it,
但我也不会说我没做 but I'm not gonna not say I did it.
整个东西就像是一场脱衣舞一样 So, it's this whole kind of striptease that goes on,
而所有人都愿意投入其中 and everybody's complicit in it.
就像每一个凶杀故事，都有一些转折 Like any murder story, a few more twists.
接着一个转折 Then a twist.
在一个奇异的转折中高德曼…… In a bizarre twist the Goldman...
我想最让我感到担忧的是 What I think I found most disturbing...
是那些受众，以及我们对这一类东西的喜好 It's the audience and our appetite for that kind of stuff.
不像大多数凶杀小说，这一部仍然缺少 Unlike most murder stories this one still lacks
那一个大家所期待的章节： the chapter everyone expects:
正义 Justice.
猫王来了，把你的屁股挪一挪 Elvis, get your pelvis away from me.
从拉斯维加斯开始，一切都变得 The Vegas chapter is where everything just gets
那样丑陋不堪 so damn sordid.
我无法在这里给你一个 I can't sit here and authoritatively tell you
维加斯故事的权威版本 what went down in Vegas,
因为事情太纷繁复杂了 because it's too convoluted.
麦克·吉尔伯特一直都在偷偷积攒OJ的东西 Mike Gilbert had been pilfering O.J.'s stuff throughout.
麦克一直都盯着那些纪念物 You know, Mike's got his eye on the memorabilia,
里面的历史价值以及金钱价值 the historical value, the money,
而OJ一直都在跑 and O.J.'s just running.
那是OJ的特征，对吧 That's what O.J. does, right?
他跑着 He runs.
然后他反应过来了，全部的那些东西 And in his wake, there's all this stuff,
那么多的人手上有他的东西 and all these people are picking up the stuff.
我接到一个电话，是艾尔·比尔兹利 I got a call. It was Al Beardsley.
你不记得我了？
你是个大家伙，伙计
大家伙？
他是一个两米高 He's this six foot six,
280斤重的OJ狂热分子 300 pound O.J. fanatic,
他说：“汤姆，我在电视上看到你 展示的安娜·妮可日记， （花花公子女郎） saying "Tom, I saw you on TV with the Anna Nicole Diaries.
我知道一些更棒的东西， I got something even better.
我知道OJ荣誉室里的所有东西在哪 I have all the stuff from O.J.'s trophy room.
他没有付钱，他的经纪人就拿了那些东西” He didn't pay his bills, his agent stole them."
我就给你说了，这是
OJ自己喜欢的东西
比尔兹利告诉我说大部分东西 Beardsley told me that a majority of the stuff
都在维加斯 was in Vegas.
我给OJ打了电话 Called O.J.
OJ说：“听着汤姆，那些不是纪念品 O.J. said, "Look Tom, this is not memorabilia.
那些是我的私人物品，是被偷走的 These are personal artifacts that were stolen from me.
那橄榄球是我抱在怀里 My football that I was holding in my arms
当我冲到2000码的时候 when I rushed for 2,000 yards.
那戒指是我死去妻子的 The ring from my wife who died,
是我准备留给我女儿的” that I was gonna give to my daughter."
他一直念叨一张J埃德加·胡佛签名的照片 （FBI第一任局长） He kept talking about a photo signed by J. Edgar Hoover.
J埃德加·胡佛说过他欣赏优秀的年轻人 J. Edgar Hoover said he was a big fan of fine young men.
“所有人都觉得我没有受过任何罪 "Everyone thinks nothing bad happens to me.
现在我叫人洗劫了 Here I am being robbed.
我们何不做给全世界看，我得 Why don't we show the world that I have to go
亲自去拿回属于自己的东西？” by myself to get my stuff back?"
他说：“我受邀去维加斯参加一个婚礼 He says, "I was invited to a wedding in Vegas.
我正好可以去维加斯” I can be in Vegas."
《（假如）我做了》将会在婚礼那天上市 If I Did It was due to be released on the day of the wedding
而他正好在那里 that he was there.
所以我对他说：“OJ，正合适 So I said, "O.J., great.
帮我签200本书” Sign 200 books for me."
他说：“去你的，不要” He goes, "Fuck, no."
我说：“伙计，你可是正在找我帮忙来着” I go, "Dude, you're asking me to help you with this shit."
然后他说：“我会在书上写上： And he says, "I'm gonna write on the books
这不是我写的，然后再签上OJ辛普森” I didn't write this and then I'll sign it O.J. Simpson."
我说：“对我来说够好了”“我能接受” I said, "That's good enough for me." "I'll take that."
岂不是免费增加了题词: ) A free inscription, too.
我在棕榈树赌场酒店和他会面，在一个泳池派对上 I met him at the Palms, at a pool party at the Palms.
OJ戴着墨镜 O.J. was wearing sunglasses
身上每一寸 and he was every bit
都散发着你想象中的名人范 the celebrity you would think he would be
就像谋杀之前那样 before the murders.
汤姆瑞西奥 生活永远不能无聊，汤姆
姑娘们接近他，年轻的姑娘 Girls were coming up to him, like young girls.
“你是OJ吗？我能和你照张相吗？” "Are you O.J.? Can I take a picture?"
坐在他的腿上，他在一个独占的凉亭里 Sitting on his lap and he had his own cabana,
里面挤满了人 with a dozen people in it.
“嘿，果汁” "Hey, Juice."
那些来历不明的家伙说着：“嘿 果汁我能请你喝酒吗” Like, weasely guys like "Hey Juice can I get you a drink?
“你好啊，果汁” "Hey, Juice."
他就坐在那和大家吹牛打屁 He was sitting there telling stories and joking around,
大家就嘻嘻哈哈的 and we were all laughing.
最后我去到了他的房间 I ended up going up to his room.
他说了：“听着， He said, "Listen.
这些家伙偷了我的东西 These people stole my stuff,
而且他们也知道是偷的 and they know they stole it.
我们要狠狠地给他们点颜色 We're gonna shock the hell of those guys.
我已经叫了我的兄弟们过来 I'm gonna have my buddies coming over,
看着吧，他们会吓得大小失禁 and man, they're gonna shit their pants
当他们看到我们” when they see us."
首先，这些家伙假如不知道放手的话就太不识相了
他们拿的可是我的东西，对不？
他们承认是麦克拿的
我们会全部没收掉，放到我弟兄的车上
知道我对那件事的清晰记忆吗？ Know what I remember about that?
我在他的屋子里，看着电视 I'm up in his room, watching on TV.
然后电视里有一个漂亮迷人的棕发女人出场 There's this pretty, beautiful brunette that comes out.
他说：“那是我的教女 He said, "That's my goddaughter.
她的名字是金（卡戴珊）” Her name is Kim."
我很激动能够拥有自己的真人秀 I am so excited to do my reality show.
她说：“我有一个关于我家庭的节目” She said, "I have a show about my family."
就是关于我以及我们一家人的 It's me and my whole family.
它叫什么名字？ What's it called?
它叫《与卡戴珊姐妹同行》 It's called Keeping Up With the Kardashians.
“我父亲是一个伟大的律师， "My dad was such a great lawyer.
他让OJ逃脱了谋杀罪” He got O.J. off the hook for murder."
OJ说：“那是瞎扯淡 O.J.'s like, "That's bullshit.
他就是个世交” He was a family friend."
他对着电视吼着 He's yelling at the TV.
“宝贝，你老爹就是狗屎” "Baby, your dad was shit."
我当时只觉得怪异 I'm like, this is weird.
我并不知道一个卡戴珊意味着啥 I didn't know what the hell a Kardashian was.
“你那节目撑不过两周”OJ说着 "That show ain't gonna last two weeks," O.J. goes.
你能把电视关小声不
已经3点半了，我们要在6点下手
所以时间定在6点钟？
我得拿出我最凶的一面来
我们抵达了棕榈树，辛普森在那 We get to the Palms. Simpson's there.
他开始说着有一些家伙 He started talking about some guys
偷了他的东西 who stole from him,
而他想要展现一点力量 and he wanted to show some strength.
他想要有威吓性 He wanted to be intimidating.
他想要我给他做保镖 He wanted me to come along with him as security
一来我的确是一名合法持枪者 since I was a licensed firearm holder,
二来我当他是一个哥儿们 and because I considered him a friend,
我决定出手帮他 I decided I would help him.
在那个时期我手上有很多OJ辛普森纪念品 At that time I had a lot of O.J. Simpson memorabilia.
数以千计的 Thousands of pieces.
艾尔·比尔兹利跟我说：“喂，我认识一个买家 Al Beardsley said, "Hey, I've got a buyer
想要买OJ辛普森纪念品 that wants to buy O.J. Simpson memorabilia,
他是个大买家 and he wants to buy a lot of it.
他想在宫廷驿站赌场酒店会面” He'd like to meet at the Palace Station."
我想很多人都选择到那里去解决问题的 I think a lot people go there for quick fixes.
你一般不是去花钱的 You don't spend a lot of money,
你能在那完成很多的事 but you can get a lot done.
我把所有东西搬到了我的车上 I loaded everything into my truck.
我装了价值超过10万美元的纪念品 I was transporting over $100,000 worth of memorabilia.
比尔兹利迎接了我，带我进去 Beardsley met me, took me inside,
我第一次见到了汤姆·瑞西奥 I meet Tom Riccio for the first time.
他说：“是的，买家很快就会到达 He says, "Yeah, my buyer will be here in a little while.
我能先看看你的东西吗？” Can I see what you got?"
我给他看了那些照片、橄榄球 I show him photographs, footballs.
全部都是这些年以来我付钱让OJ签的东西 This is all the stuff I've paid O.J. to sign over the years.
他说：“你的东西全在这了？” He says, "Is this all there is?"
我说：“是啊” I said, "Yeah."
他说：“我还以为会有 He said, "I thought there was gonna be
一些OJ的私人物品呢” "a bunch of O.J.'s personal memorabilia."
我说：“我有的都在这了” I said, "This is all there is."
我同车还带了一些别的东西 Along with that I brought along some other stuff.
他推销了一些彼得·罗斯（棒球巨星）签名物 He was pushing Pete Rose stuff.
乔·蒙塔纳（橄榄球传奇）版画 Joe Montana lithographs.
我说：“哥儿们，他不要这些 I'm like, "Dude, he's not interested.
他是个OJ迷 He's an O.J. fan.
他想要OJ的私物” He wants O.J.'s personal."
这样啊，但假如他对OJ感兴趣 Yeah, but if he's interested in O.J.,
他就应该也对乔·蒙塔纳感兴趣啊 he's gonna want Joe Montana."
有很多OJ以为在我这里的东西 A lot of the things that O.J. thought that I had
实际上是在旧金山的一个储物间里 were actually in the storage unit in San Francisco,
被拍卖掉了 that was lost to an auction.
不过我们不只有一个储物间 But we had several lockers.
在汉福德的那一个被布鲁斯拿空了 The one in Hanford, Bruce emptied it out,
里面的东西他已经卖了有10个月了 and he's been selling it for like 10 months.
麦克从OJ那里拿 Mike took it from O.J.,
弗洛蒙从麦克那里拿 Fromong takes it from Mike.
现在又到了马尔克斯兄弟手上 Now, it turns into the Marx brothers.
所有人都是一头的狂热 Everybody is now acting like a lunatic.
我和布鲁斯·弗洛蒙在一个屋子里 I'm alone in the room with Bruce Fromong,
还有艾尔·比尔兹利 and Al Beardsley.
比尔兹利脑子不太正常 Beardsley is a bit of a nut.
如果你有帕丽斯·希尔顿在牢里穿过的衣服
你怎么觉得你有办法拿到那个？
他曾经因为跟踪而入狱 He went to prison for stalking.
OJ打来电话 O.J.'s phone, he calls.
他们说：“好了，我们15分钟后到” They're like, "All right, we'll be there in 15 minutes."
一个小时过去了，他们俩很焦躁 After about an hour, they're all getting antsy.
他们说着：“怎么回事啊 They're like, "What's going on?
玩我们是吧” This is bullshit."
如此之类 Blah, blah, blah.
一切都很像一场毒品交易 It really seemed like a drug deal.
我们到了酒店，然后又继续等了其他的人 We got to the hotel, we had to wait for some more guys.
等到所有人都到齐 When all the other guys showed up,
他们看起来也不怎么凶恶嘛 they didn't look like the most ferocious men.
这是很不搭调的一群人 It was a mismatched bunch.
其中一个是看起来很衰的白人 One of them was a frumpy looking white dude,
让人纳闷，这家伙跑来干啥？ which like, what the hell's he doing here?
还有一个是个上了年龄的黑人 One of them was an older black guy
那样子十足是个图书管理员 that looked like he could have been a librarian.
我从来没有一次见过这么多混混 I never met so many con-men at one time,
每个人都想捞点好处 but everybody was trying to get money.
所有人跟着辛普森都是心有所图的 Everyone of them guys had something up for Simpson.
接着这群人弄混了房间号 Them guys got confused where the room was.
他们坐着电梯上上下下的折腾 They was on the elevator going up and down.
房间号是以12开头的 The room was like 12 something,
但实际是在1楼 but it was on the bottom floor.
而不是在12楼 It wasn't on the 12th story.
就像是个机关迷宫似的 It was like a weird maze.
蠢透了 It was dumb.
整个过程都蠢透了 This whole situation was a very dumb situation.
到了最后关头，所有人都来到走廊上 At the final stage, everyone met at that hallway
房间门外面 where the room is.
他们问：“他们有枪吗？” They said, "They got guns?"
我说：“没有， I go, "No.
你们有枪吗？ You guys got guns?
喂喂，不要跟我说你们有枪？！” Dude, do you guys got guns?"
1203房间 Room 1203.
我绝不会忘记那个房间号 I don't think I'll ever forget that room number.
辛普森要我扮个暴徒 Simpson asked me to look menacing,
于是我拿出了枪 so I had my gun out,
而他自己情绪也越来越激动 and he was getting angrier and angrier.
瑞西奥拿出门卡打开了门 Riccio pulled the key out, opened the door,
我们鱼贯而入 and we walked in the room.
我正在讲电话 I'm on the phone talking.
门猛地打开了 The door opens very quickly.
房间里的那些人 The men that were in the room
看到我们之后很吃了一惊 were pretty damn surprised to see us,
而他们看到辛普森之后就更诧异了 and they were even more surprised to see Simpson.
给老子站起来
不要让任何人离开这里
我看到了OJ I'm seeing O.J.
离我上次看到他已经有很久了 It had been quite awhile since I'd seen O.J.
以前他从来都是一脸和善 He had always been friendly,
但这一次看到的他脸上全是怒气 but this guy had a face on him that was just rage.
以为你们可以偷了老子的东西卖钱？ 狗杂种！
他在大吼大叫的，我也在大吼大叫 He's yelling and screaming, I'm yelling and screaming.
我在命令他们到那边去 I'm telling the guys to move over,
做这个，做那个 do this, do that.
我当时完全搞不清屋里都是些什么人 I had no idea who was in the room, then.
没人提前跟我交代过任何事情 No one briefly knew anything.
我把一个家伙推到洗手间里 I pushed one of the guys into the bathroom,
然后叫他不准出来 and told him not to come out of it.
屋子里挤满了人 It was a crowded room.
我依稀记得有个人在洗手间里 I guess there was a guy in the bathroom.
一两个人在旁边收拾比尔兹利 One or two of them were over by Beardsley.
比尔兹利迷OJ迷得很 Beardsley is like in love with O.J.,
所以看到他其实是蛮高兴的 so he seems almost happy to see him.
“嘿，OJ！” "Hey, O.J."
然后OJ盯着他 And O.J. looks at him.
我一直信任你，伙计
“OJ！我以为我们是朋友啊” "O.J., I thought we were friends."
“我以为我们没问题啊” "I thought we were cool."
这个拿着枪的家伙，他给了我肩膀一下 The guy with the gun, he hits me in the shoulder
让我后退抵住了椅子 and it knocked me backwards against the chair.
接着他用枪指着我的脸，走的帮派路线 Then, he put the gun in my face, you know, kinda gangster style.
我说了一些应景的话 I said something to the effect,
“你们应该庆幸这不是在洛杉矶 "You guys are lucky we're not in LA,
否则你们早就见了鬼了” or you'd all be laying down."
我会崩了你们 I'll shoot your ass.
我无法相信我说了那些话 I couldn't believe I said it,
但也就只是说的话而已 but it was just something that I said.
把东西包起来
接着我开始叫着把东西带走 Then I started saying bag stuff up.
OJ说是他的东西，其他人都说是他的东西 What O.J. called his stuff, everybody called his stuff,
我说是一堆废物 I called it junk.
几箱子照片，一些领带 Boxes of pictures, some ties.
他们把那些东西推向他 They're pushing the stuff back to him.
“给你，OJ” "Here, O.J."
你们以为你们在做什么，在偷老子的东西 What do you think you can do, stealing my shit,
诸如之类 blah blah blah blah,
他们一个劲儿地道歉，把东西推过来 and they're all apologizing, pushing it back.
接着他们开始拿那些枕头套 Then, the guys started taking pillow cases
往里装那些彼得·罗斯和乔·蒙塔纳东西 and stuffing Pete Rose stuff and Joe Montana.
喂喂，那些好像不是你的东西吧…… Like, wait a minute. That's not your stuff.
所以，头一分钟完全还在OJ的计划之中 So, the first minute went exactly as O.J. scripted it.
但接下去的三四分钟事情演变成了持械抢劫 The next three or four turned into an armed robbery.
该走了
立刻，快点
他拿了我的手机，我才买的手机 He took my phone and I had just gotten it.
我说：“OJ，别拿我的手机，我才买的啊” I go, "O.J., don't take my phone. I just got it."
他还是拿了，然后说：“我会把它留在前台” He takes it, he says, "I'll leave it at the desk."
然后OJ就离开了 And O.J. left.
我跑到酒店前台，我说 I went up to the front desk, and I said,
“我需要保安，我刚刚被OJ辛普森抢了” "I need security, I was just robbed by O.J. Simpson."
然后他们哄堂大笑 And they started laughing.
911报警电话 911 emergency.
我刚刚被OJ辛普森抢劫了 I was just robbed by O.J. Simpson
同时还有另外4个黑人，用枪指着我 and four other black men at gun point.
我们立即需要警官到这里来，女士 We need the police here right away, ma'am.
我不用一直和我重复那个 You don't have to keep telling me that.
我需要给我的警官们更详细的描述 That's why I'm needing the descriptions for the officers.
只是4个黑人和OJ辛普森是不够的 Four black men and O.J. Simpson is not enough.
我需要知道他们的穿着 I'm gonna need to know what they were wearing.
警察们到了，一开始他们真的 The cops showed up and they were really
没把它当回事 lax about it.
他们说：“哦，你被抢了，是OJ辛普森” They were like, "So, you were robbed, O.J. Simpson.
还有谁？是不是艾尔·考林斯？（OJ最好的朋友） Who else was here, Al Cowlings?"
我们一回到棕榈树 Once we got back over to the Palms,
他说的第一句话就是：“记住没有枪 first thing he said, "There was no gun.
记住没有枪” There was no gun."
我跟你们摊开了说，我从来没有看见过枪
就在那一刻我就知道他已经在盘算了 So, right then I knew he had some shit with him.
他已经准备好要穿戴上 He's trying to get ready to set up all this
那个正面的OJ辛普森形象，显得毫无破绽 good O.J. Simpson look to make himself look legitimate.
你们好啊，伙计们 Hello, guys.
你好，你好，你好吗 Hi! Hi, how's it going?
一切都好 All is well.
你要准备开始用你演员的那一套 You're trying to put your actor face back on.
你要准备开始用你广告的那一套 You're trying to put your pitch man face back on.
上帝保佑你们 God bless, hey guys.
多保重 Take care.
周末愉快 Happy weekend.
但他骗不了我 But he's not fooling me.
那天晚上我回到家 When I got home that day,
我告诉我老婆：“我相信我做了一件劫案” I told my wife, "I think I just did a robbery."
她问我的第一句话就是：“你带没带你的枪？” The first thing she asked me is, "Did you have your gun?"
我说：“带了” I was like, "Yeah."
我似乎在抗拒这答案里面的事实 I was just fighting the reality of the answer,
我心里知道肯定会惹上警察 and I knew that the cops were gonna get involved,
我也知道既然是有辛普森 and I knew because it was Simpson
这事情将闹得很大 that it was gonna get huge.
晚些时候，我返回到宫廷驿站 Later on, I went back to the Palace Station,
溜回到那间屋子去拿我的录音器 back to the room where the recorder was.
你全程录了音？ You recorded that whole thing?
是的，因为一群傻子像那样 I recorded it because there was a bunch of idiots
冲进一个房间我不知道会发生什么 going in a room and I didn't know what was gonna happen.
我想要确保留下记录 I wanted to make sure it was documented.
当时警察们正在搜查那个房间 The police were searching the room.
录音器就放在那么个15厘米的空间里 The one six inch area where the recorder was,
他们真就没找到 they didn't find it.
我急忙把它塞到口袋里 As I'm putting it in my pocket,
警察还冲我吼：“你快点 the cop's like, "Get your shit
给我滚出去，赶紧的！” and get the f out of here, right now."
如果你一早起来听到说OJ辛普森 If you woke up and heard that O.J. Simpson
又上新闻了又被逮捕了 is back in the news and under arrest,
放心，这不是《土拨鼠日》（讲昨日重现的电影） rest assured it's not Ground Hog day.
这一次，他被关押在拉斯维加斯一间牢房里 This time though, he's in a jail cell in Las Vegas
在一次被录音记录的冲突中 after a confrontation, apparently caught on tape.
这一次没有强尼来拯救你了，OJ No Johnnie to save you this time, O.J.
他被逮捕后两小时，我联系上了哈维·莱文 （八卦媒体TMZ总编） Two hours after the arrest, I got a hold of Harvey Levin.
我最终把录音带买了15万美元 I ended up selling the tapes for $150,000.
“别让任何人离开这个屋子……狗杂种们！” “以为你们可以偷老子的东西卖钱？”
真的让我很无语 I was heartbroken by it.
OJ啊，你是怎么想滴呢？ O.J., what were you thinking?
你到底是怎么想滴呢？ What were you thinking?
你在搞笑吗？ Are you kidding me?
你在玩我吗？ Are you kidding me?
你逃脱了一次双重谋杀 You just walked away from a double murder
现在你给我看这个？ and you do this?
全体起立，法官杰姬·格拉斯到场 All rise for Judge Jackie Glass.
内华达联邦地方法院现在开庭 Nevada District Court is now in session.
尊敬的法官杰姬·格拉斯 The honorable Jackie Glass.
我有可能面临12到13年的刑期 I was looking at 12, 13 years in prison,
那个牢我一天都不想坐 and I don't want any parts of that.
我完全不想跟我有任何关系 I wanted zero parts to do with that.
我开始想了，如果我出庭作证，我应该能脱身 I started thinking, if I testify, I could clear myself up,
而如果我不出庭作证，我就是个傻逼 and if I don't testify I'm gonna be a fool.
- 陈述事实，以上帝之名？ - 我发誓 - ... tell the truth, so help you God? - I do.
请坐下 Have a seat please.
尽管道上的规矩是从不出庭 As far as a street code not to talk on a witness stand,
如今有很多人坐在牢里 there's a bunch of guys in prison right now,
全国都是，都是为了这个规矩 all over the country, behind the code.
他们为了规矩可以放弃人生 They gave their life up for the code,
但我才不要为了他妈OJ辛普森坐牢 but I wasn't going to jail for no O.J. Simpson.
我不要 Not me.
如果我为了他进去了 If I'd have went to jail from him,
你觉得他会来探我的监？ think he would have come to visit me?
不会 No.
你觉得他会捎东西给我？ You think he would have gave me commissary?
不会 No.
原谅我的语言，但去他妈的吧 Excuse my expression but fuck him.
这个案子是典型的 This case was something built
把芝麻 from a grain of salt
做成了西瓜，明白吧？ into a mountain of salt. You know what I mean?
罪名二，预谋实施绑架 Count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping,
有罪，罪名三…… Guilty. Count three...
CJ斯图尔特不接受条款而去了监狱 C.J. Stewart went to jail for not taking the deal.
即使我那时认为自己没有做错什么 Even though I think I did nothing wrong,
实际上到现在我还是认为我没做错什么 and I still contend to this day I did nothing wrong
在那个OJ事件里面 with the O.J. thing.
我应不应该在接下来的几年里 Could I have spent the next couple of years
保护我自己免于被那些 defending myself against something
我没做过的事情牵连 that I don't think I did?
是的 Yes.
所以，我告诉我的律师在我开口之前 So, I told my lawyer before I do anything,
给我拿到免罪协定 get me immunity.
你是否坚定发誓陈述事实 Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,
全部的事实，只限于事实 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
以上帝之名？ so help you God?
我发誓 I do.
OJ被整了 O.J. got duped.
OJ被汤姆·瑞西奥整了 O.J. got duped by Tom Riccio.
汤姆·瑞西奥骗了OJ辛普森 Tom Riccio lied to O.J. Simpson.
他告诉他自己知道有人手上有数以千计的 He said I know someone that's got thousands of pieces
他的纪念物 of your memorabilia.
他给OJ下了套 He set O.J. Simpson up.
是滴，汤姆·瑞西奥就是个内贼 Oh yeah, Tom Riccio's a rat.
我卖了谁了？任何人？ Who did I rat on, did I rat on anybody here?
能不能说出一个被我卖了的人？ Name a person I ratted on.
倒不是说我对通风报信有什么偏见 Not that I have anything against ratting,
如果报个信能拯救世界，我会的 if it would help the world, I'll rat.
但我的确没有出卖谁啊 But I didn't rat on anybody.
瑞西奥说是OJ辛普森 Riccio says that it was O.J. Simpson
在那个屋子发号司令 who was giving the orders in the room.
OJ就是那个主事者 O.J. was definitely in charge.
我是说，我不知道你怎么形容这个 I mean, I don't know what you'd call...
也许我是卖了点某些人的情报 Maybe I did rat out some people.
我不知道，也许OJ那事情上我是做了，也许是 I don't know, maybe I did with the O.J. thing, maybe I did.
好吧好吧，我就是个叛徒 All right, so I'm a rat.
汤玛斯·瑞西奥，明星证人 Thomas Riccio, their star witness,
我最喜欢的人之一☺ one of my favorite people ever.
我正在拉斯维加斯为 I was in Las Vegas and I was reporting
《今夜娱乐》栏目报道庭审 for Entertainment Tonight about the trial.
真是一个百感交集的场景 Such a weird confluence of events.
怎么会有这样的事？ How does this happen?
我在现场看了预审聆讯 So I was watching the preliminary hearing
然后在餐厅吃午餐 and at lunch break we were in the cafeteria
他出现在了那里 and he showed up there.
OJ和我擦身而过 It's O.J. and walked by.
辛普森先生 Mr. Simpson.
克拉克女士 Ms. Clark.
感觉太诡异了 It was weird.
13年过去了，距离OJ辛普森被宣布无罪 13 years to the day after O.J. Simpson was acquitted
于谋杀他的前妻妮可·布朗·辛普森 in the murders of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson,
以及她的朋友罗纳德·高德曼 and her friend, Ronald Goldman,
OJ被宣布有罪于绑架和持械抢劫 O.J. was found guilty of kidnapping and armed robbery
周五晚上在拉斯维加斯的一个法庭上 in a Las Vegas courtroom Friday night.
辛普森先生是怎么了，在我看来 What happened to Mr. Simpson, to me...
他就是自私自利 He was being selfish.
他一直在痛苦之中 He's been in a lot of pain.
靠药物、酒精缓解的痛 Pain medication, drinking,
还在试图掌控一切 trying to control everything goes on in his life,
人际关系、个人财产 in his relationship, his finances.
但他自己已经大不如前 And it wasn't as good as it used to be.
知道吗，远没有以前在行了 You know? It wasn't as great.
整个的基调，这个阶段 The whole big picture, his life,
就是他累了 he was just tired.
他江湖化了 He's street,
OJ追悔莫及地 and O.J. regrettably
回到了伽利略高中时期 reverted back to Galileo High School.
知道不 You know?
他又回到了猎人角时期 He reverted back to Hunter's Point.
对不起 Sorry.
我深感对不起内华达州 I feel like apologetic to the people
的人民 of the state of Nevada.
我从1959年开始就总是到内华达来 I've been coming to Nevada since 1959.
我在60和61年在这里打过暑期工 I worked summer jobs here for my uncle in '60 and '61.
从那之后我就经常来了 I've been coming every since
我从没有惹过任何麻烦 and I've never gotten into any trouble.
人们总是对我很好 People have always been fine to me.
这一次我来这里是来参加一个婚礼 When I came here I came here for a wedding.
我并不是来…… I didn't come here to...
我并不是来拿回财产的 I didn't come here to reclaim property.
我被告知它在这里 I was told it was here.
我给我的孩子们打电话说我有一个机会 I called my kids and I told them I had a chance
能够拿回一些属于我们的东西 to get some of our property back.
我们咨询过警方怎么办 We've called the police and asked what to do.
他们告诉我们可以做什么 They told us what to try to do.
但我不可能找到卖家是谁 You could never find out who was selling it.
这是第一次我有这样的机会 This was the first time I had a opportunity
能够亲手抓住这些一直从 to catch the guys red handed who had been stealing
我家偷东西的人 from my family.
我并不想要伤害任何人 I wasn't there to hurt anybody.
我只是想要自己的东西 I just wanted my personal things,
现在我意识到当时自己有多愚蠢 and I realize now it was stupid of me.
我很抱歉 I'm sorry.
我并不想从任何人那里夺取任何东西 I didn't mean to steal anything from anybody
而我也没有意识到自己的行为已经触犯法律 and I didn't know I was doing anything illegal.
我以为我是在和一些朋友对质 I thought I was confronting friends
然后取回我自己的东西 and retrieving my property.
那个人，他本应该成为模范市民 That guy, he should have been the model citizen.
本应该每周都去教堂 Should have been in church every week.
本应该一直帮助儿童 Should have been helping kids.
相反，他却给非裔的 Instead, he did more to hurt Africa-American
年轻人和孩子们更多伤害 young men and boys
演着这些闹剧 by putting on this charade.
他就是不停地挑战底线 He kept pushing the envelope.
知道吗，而且他为什么不呢？ You know? And why wouldn't he?
想一下，如果我总是能逃脱，一次又一次…… I mean, if I got away with everything time after time after time...
嘿，原来我是神 Hey, I'm a god.
好的，对于辛普森先生 All right, for Mr. Simpson.
好的，辛普森先生，我将要对你做出如下判决 All right, Mr. Simpson, I'm gonna sentence you as follows.
罪名一，预谋犯罪行为 Count one, conspiracy to commit a crime,
刑期一年，在县监狱 one year in the county jail.
罪名二，预谋实施绑架 Count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping.
最低刑期12个月，最高48个月 A minimum term of 12 months, max term of 48 months
在内华达州立劳教所服刑 in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
罪名三，预谋实施抢劫 Count three, conspiracy to commit robbery.
最低刑期12个月，最高48个月 A minimum term of 12 months, max term of 48 months
在内华达州立劳教所服刑 in the Nevada Department of Corrrections.
罪名四，持有致命武器实施偷窃 Count four, burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon.
最低刑期26个月…… A minimum term of 26 months...
我以前在一个市内高中上学 I went to an inner city high school
我们的橄榄球队很烂 and our football team was terrible,
但我们的人很能打 but our fighters were good,
我们也许会在第四节输掉比赛 and we might lose the 4th quarter the ball game,
但我们可以赢得赛后的“第五节” but we were gonna win the 5th quarter after the game.
群架环节 The fight.
于是那个就被称为了“第五节” So, it's called the 5th quarter.
罪名五，一级绑架罪并使用 Count five, the first degree kidnapping with use
致命武器 of a deadly weapon.
固定刑期15年，保释申请 A fixed term of 15 years, parole eligibility beginning
5年以后方可提交 after five years.
罪名六，一级绑架罪（对第二个人）并使用 Count six, the first degree kidnapping with use
致命武器 of a deadly weapon.
固定刑期15年 A fixed term of 15 years.
那就是个顶多判2年的湿湿身 That was, at most, a two-year crime dripping wet.
那个案子的法官 The judge in that case
把陪审团一直留到11点， held the jury out until 11 o'clock
周五晚上，整好13年前的那一天 on a Friday night, 13 years to the day
OJ辛普森大案宣判，10月3日 of O.J. Simpson's verdict on October 3rd.
那个，在我看来，绝不是偶然 That, in my mind, was not a coincidence.
使用致命武器实施抢劫 Robbery with use of a deadly weapon.
最低刑期60个月 A minimum term of 60 months.
最高刑期180个月 A maximum term of 180 months.
罪名八，使用致命武器实施抢劫（对第二个人） Count eight, robbery with use of a deadly weapon.
最低刑期60个月 A minimum term of 60 months.
最高刑期180个月 A max term of a 180 months
在内华达州立劳教所服刑 in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
使用致命武器实施攻击 The assault with a deadly weapon.
最低刑期18个月 A minimum term of 18 months.
最高刑期72个月 Max term of 72 months
在内华达州立劳教所服刑 in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
而33年的总刑期 And the 33 year sentence
呼应着3300万美元的 reflecting the 33 million dollars
民事案判决也绝不是巧合 in the civil verdict was no coincidence.
判决宣读完毕 That concludes today's sentencing.
那个就是“第五节” And that was the 5th quarter.
他们报复了OJ因为他赢得的我们那个案子 They got back at O.J. for winning our case.
谢谢你，非常感谢 Thank you, thank you very much.
他没有绑架任何人 He didn't kidnap anybody.
没有人被带走、被折磨、被殴打 Nobody was moved or tortured or hit and beat up.
以上一样都没有 There wasn't none of that.
他被依法依规地收拾了 He got played by the book.
根据法律界的解读，当他说了 In the legal term of the law, when he said
没人可以离开这个屋子，那就是绑架 nobody leaves this room, that is kidnapping.
这个无关司法公正 That wasn't about justice.
他们收拾了一个家伙逃脱了谋杀罪的 They wanted the guy that got away with murder
远在1994年 in 1994.
案情的关键点在于 Here's the thing about it.
涉及到了枪的元素在里面 The guns are the thing about it.
他们把枪作为一个重要因素来考量 They put guns to people's heads.
有人可能会丧命 Someone could have died there.
那就是案件的法律关键点 The legal elements of the case were there.
那么陪审团有没有因为谋杀审判而收拾他 Did the jury hammer him because of the murder trial?
是的话我也不会惊讶 Wouldn't surprise me.
那就是 That is
那就是白人的公正在美国，伙计 That is white justice in America, man.
听着，我认为任何人会为了 Listen, I think anybody who is happy
一个人类被关在栅栏后面而高兴 that any human being is gonna be stuck in a cage
都是一个糟糕的人 is a horrible person.
这对于任何人都不是个好日子 This is not a happy day for anybody.
我们很激动 We're thrilled.
这是一个悲喜交加的时刻 It's kind of a bittersweet moment,
获知那个狗杂种会在牢房里 knowing that that SOB is gonna be in jail
待很长时间 for a very long time.
他将待在真正属于他的地方 And he's gonna be where he belongs,
和他的同类在一起 with others of his kind.
他可以在里面慢慢抱怨 And he can complain there.
听着，我曾经是投了无罪票 Look, I voted no then.
结果他傻逼到跑出去 Then he's a stupid ass to go out there
给自己摊上更多的事 and get into some more shit.
你有没有觉得后悔？
或多或少 Somewhat.
但我心底知道 But deep in my heart,
我做了在那一刻我认为应该做的 I done what I felt was right at that time.
(chanting "Free O.J.")
那个时候，我们照顾了我们自己人 Back then, we took care of our own.
现在，你只有自己照顾自己了，伙计 Now, you're on your own, Joe.
非常多的人付出了这许多 A lot of people gave a lot.
(chanting "We want justice")
但终归，都付之东流了 But ultimately, it was all a waste.
他配不起这些付出 He wasn't deserving.
我最大的担忧在于这是黑人形象 My main concern is a black man's image
遭受的一次打击 and the beating that it's taken.
OJ攀登上了人生的顶峰 O.J. reached the top of the mountain
当他从巅峰坠落 and when he fell off,
那不是所有黑人的坠落 it should not reflect on black people at all.
那只是OJ的坠落 It should reflect on O.J.
他曾经拥有一切 He had everything.
他曾经拥有万千宠爱 He had adoration.
男人们爱他，女人们爱他，孩子们也爱他 Men loved him, women loved him, children loved him.
一切本该如此 That's the way it should be.
想想，有多少人能够拥有那样的人生？ I mean, how many people go through life like that?
当你带着球奔跑的时候，那就是欢乐 When you're running the ball, it's joy.
那就是万物之道 This is the natural state of things.
对于一个像OJ那样出身的人 For somebody like O.J. Simpson, who came from where he came,
能够取得那种程度的成就 to have accomplished what he accomplished,
却又展现出那种程度的身败名裂 to have that brutal fall from grace.
这真是一出美国式的悲剧 It's really an American tragedy.
我不知道我是怎么走到这一步的 I don't know how I ended up here.
我真的不知道我怎么到这个地步的 I just don't know how I ended up here.
我曾经拥有很棒的生活 I thought I lived a great life.
我曾经对待每个人都很好 I thought I treated everybody well.
我尽我所能地让所有人感到舒适 I went out of my way to make everybody comfortable
和开心 and happy.
我过去能感到内心的善意 I felt the goodness in myself
以及我给予他人的善意 and the goodness I gave people.
如今我在心里找不到善意了 I don't feel any goodness in myself right now.
什么都找不到了 I feel empty.
里面空空如也 I feel totally empty.
我有一些话想要留给大家 I felt I have some last thing I gotta say to somebody.
请记住我还是那个电流/果汁 Please remember me as the Juice.
请记住我美好的一面 Please remember me as a good guy.
我请求你们 Please.
Special Thanks to Todd, for your crucial help
(somber music)